Why do VZW reps say the iPhone 6 is locked?

[JulesJam]

Even they Sign in to icloud and bring phone to lost mode this phone will enable again in Vietnam with icloud account, which one use to enable lost mode.

I don't understand this but I believe you. I thought Apple had a way to block phone reported as stolen from being activated through Apple's servers but I guess not.

 

[Applejuiced]

Because they are told to lie so people think they have no option but to stay with them in order to use their phone.

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I thought as long as you pop in a sprint sim on your phone that you bought at VZW, it would work, as it would if you put an ATT sim in the VZW phone.

Nope, you thought wrong.
If you put a sprint sim in a verizon or any iphone that's not a Sprint locked iphone it will not work.
For all other companies it will work but not with Sprint.

 

[maflynn]

Nope, you thought wrong.
If you put a sprint sim in a verizon or any iphone that's not a Sprint locked iphone it will not work.
For all other companies it will work but not with Sprint.

Thanks for the clarification, I'm not a Sprint customer, nor will I ever be, but I was reading between the lines on the VZW's phones being unlocked.

 

[Applejuiced]

Thanks for the clarification, I'm not a Sprint customer, nor will I ever be, but I was reading between the lines on the VZW's phones being unlocked.

Yes, stay away from Sprint.
The VZW's LTE iphones are unlocked for any GSM carrier in the world and will also work on Verizon.
They wont work or activate on Sprint.
Same thing with unlocked AT&T and Tmobile iphone 6 models will work on any gsm carrier and on verizon but will not function on Sprint.
Sprint is on a device crippling and locking carrier league on its own

 

[aneftp]

Right here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/27.16




Also:




When Verizon purchased C Block spectrum, they agreed to the above conditions.

In a nuthsell: if a customer brings a technically-capable unlocked phone to Verizon that can access C block spectrum, then Verizon is required to allow it to be activated for use. (Technically, Verizon violates this agreement every time they tell someone an unlocked, non-Verizon iPhone 6/Plus can't be activated.) Also, Verizon cannot SIM lock or MSL lock any of the phones they sell which access C Block spectrum.

As for Sprint, the only reason no one can take a Verizon iPhone to Sprint is because Sprint doesn't allow it. Sprint didn't buy C block spectrum and aren't bound by any open handset agreements, and their policy is, only phones from their inventory can be used on their network (and no domestic unlocks for their phones, at least not until late February, maybe.)

Verizon still plays games with lte "unlocked" devices functional status

Anyone who has owned a Nokia Lumia 822/928 HTC 8X on Verizon knows full well while the GSM portion is "unlocked". Verizon still crippled the windows firmware to make it incredibly hard to have functional MMS working. Just do a simple Google search for unlocked Lumia 822 MMS and see the complaints.

Same thing with quite a few of their android phones. You have to root some of them to get mms working cause Verizon locks down the APN settings.

Gotta love Apple. Reason Verizon iPhone 5/5c/5s 6/6 plus "work" is cause Apple doesn't let Verizon play any games with locking down the firmware like MMS.

 

[scaredpoet]

I thought Sprint used a different kind of SIM card that doesnt work the same way as Verizon or the GSM carriers.

The cards are physically and electronically the same type. The difference is what is loaded onto the card, and what the phone has been programmed via subsidy lock configuration to accept.

Even if it did work, you wouldn't get full LTE support since the non-Sprint models lack the TD-LTE bands.

This is the only real technical barrier. But even so, one could get, say a C-Spire or US Cellular version of the iPhone 6 and, if they were unlocked, would have the same support and LTE bands required to work on Sprint... if it weren't for Sprint's arcane policy of not letting non-whitelisted phones on their network.

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Thanks for the clarification, I'm not a Sprint customer, nor will I ever be, but I was reading between the lines on the VZW's phones being unlocked.

To be clear: This isn't because Verizon has locked them from working on Sprint; it's because Sprint will deny network access to a phone with an MEID that is not on their whitelist. And the only phones on the whitelist are sold by Sprint, or by Apple/other retailers that were previously set aside for use on Sprint.

(The only exception is the iPad Air 2 which has no carrier locking at all... though it's sometimes rough getting an iPad Air 2 on a postpaid tablet plan, if it wasn't bought directly from a Sprint store).

 

[JulesJam]

Thanks for the clarification, I'm not a Sprint customer, nor will I ever be, but I was reading between the lines on the VZW's phones being unlocked.

VZW's phones are only unlocked b/c they are forced to by law - it's in the terms of VZW's block c spectrum licenses. No other carrier has this requirement.

 

[T5BRICK]

This is why we buy Sim free.

Then buy one!

 

[Bacong]

surprised eyoungren hasn't posted in this thread.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

surprised eyoungren hasn't posted in this thread.

I'll say it: I really like my black iPhone 6.

That should get him here sooner.

 

[bniu]

I used to be a Verizon Wireless tech support rep.

The basic customer service reps get told some info, but often not a lot. One key piece of info they're either not told, or told to lie about to get people to get international voice/data plans is that every 4G LTE phone is required to be unlocked now by the FCC. The exception being Sprint(but Sprint sucks)

They want to make as much money off you as possible, so when you mention going out of country they'll have to go through their little dialogue about "Our great international plans!"(They aren't great.) Even Verizon realizes getting a local sim is crazy cheap, so most reps won't tell you, or are told to lie by their supervisor.

The moment you buy a Verizon phone, wether on contract or paying full price, it is by law required to be unlocked. Failure on Verizon's end to do so would breach their deal with the FCC. The only signals they won't have are Sprints, but who would want theirs?

It still seems like carriers are still delusional about getting people to pay for international plans. The old "business travelers on expense accounts" argument doesn't really hold up much these days as most businesses have wised up and gone to alternative means for communications overseas.

T Mobile yesterday announced rollover data, let's see, how about global data coverage as the next big thing to shake up the industry? Even though I don't have T-Mobile, go T-Mobile!

 

[Bacong]

I'll say it: I really like my black iPhone 6.

That should get him here sooner.

haha