Why Does Everyone Hate Vista?

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  1. in-ten-city macrumors member

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    I have noticed a lot of hatred towards the new vista OS, I was curious why vista is so much worse than XP and why when I install windows on my mac I should go with XP SP2 and not Vista...
     
  2. phuong macrumors 6502a

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    some people compared windows XP vs. Vista as similar to windows 98 vs. Milenium Edition.
    not quite clear and not 100% true, but you get the idea.
     
  3. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    i dont really get the idea that why im asking...
    i used vista on my friends machine and seems to work just as fine as xp...
    everyone just keeps throwing out these platitudes like "its so unstable!" and "it just sucks!" but nobody is really going into any particulars... I understand that the people on this forum have a natural distaste for anything microsoft, but come on, for the sake of truth lets be a little objective and technical ?
     
  4. CANEHDN macrumors 6502a

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    People either hate Windows and find reasons to hate it or they try to find all the negative in it. I personally don't mind it. There are some major improvements and some major faults. Much better than XP, in my opinion. I still won't buy it though. It's too resource hungry. I'll stick with my OS X.
     
  5. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    and what exactly are these "major faults" that everyone seems to know so much about?
     
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    It's not just people here as representatives of the Mac community. There are quite a few people in the PC community who don't like it as well. The main bone of contention is that it seems like Vista, despite undergoing years of development and revisions, is still beta level software. There are a number of devices that are incompatible with it, and this has caused a great deal of frustration amongst users who upgraded. This is the sort of thing that caused Chris Pirillo to "upgrade" from Vista to XP.
     
  8. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    you cant do that in any version of windows. im asking specifically whats flawed with vista...
     
  9. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    Well it was my one small hope that they had fixed that in Vista.
     
  10. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    this isn't an inherent problem with the operating system - this is a problem with the devices and their respective manufacturers that their devices weren't made to be compatible with this os... but the next gen devices will...
    would you say that a CD player is lacking because it cant play an audio cassette or 8track tape? i think not...
     
  11. poopyhead macrumors 6502a

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    lots of old hardware and software (as well as some new) does not work with it and many of the vista drivers provided online by manufacturers (such as hp and lexmark) do not enable all of the functions of things such as printers and sometimes do not work at all. also many low end computers that are now sold only with vista by the likes of acer, e-machines, and compaq run painfuly slow. people buy a new machine and expect it to be faster than their xp machine and often times it is not because they fail to understand or beleive that a machine with only 512 of memory and an integrated graphics card is not capable of properly running vista.
     
  12. Much Ado macrumors 68000

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    I don't hate Vista, but i dislike it:

    Too resource hungry.
    Ridiculous silly effects get in the way of productivity.
    Too many versions, too pricey
    Way too long to install, get running smoothly
    Games don't run as fast (by all accounts, no exp. here)
    It represents a whole five years of work, achieving quite little.
    Feels like a beta->
    -> Practically WAS a Beta when first released, terrible first few months
    Shiny black and transparency can appear gaudy

    For the record, i use OS X, Ubuntu Linux (occasionally the odd bit of Gentoo, etc.) and Xp/Vista regularly. I prefer OS X out of my own choice, not out of some closed minded stubbornness. OS X just rocks.
     
  13. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    again... read my previous post...these aren't problems with the os itself...these are problems introduced by equipment manufacturers who aren't making their systems powerful enough to run vista fast. you can't expect prize winning flower to blossom and flourish if all the long it is planted in the wrong soil...
     
  14. Much Ado macrumors 68000

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    Even Microsoft won't call Vista a 'prize winning flower'.

    Sure, it shouldn't have to run on all older hardware, but it just feels so, so clunky to use. Efficiency matters to me- if i have a good set-up i want it to perform well, not adequately.
     
  15. poopyhead macrumors 6502a

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    i agree completely
    I sold vista, I sold computers with vista installed, and I listened to many complaints (many about WOW not working on their new machine). vista is actually decent and the interface looks good however many companies (whose products I used to sell) are scamming customers by releasing cheep computers that cant handle the operating system in order to allow for more upselling or by failing to release drivers for older peripehrals in order to drive new sales.
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    many people when they download new vista drivers from manufacturers websites automatically go for the 64bit version instead of the 32 then get upset when it wont work.
     
  16. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    thats like calling an Olympic athlete too resource hungry, of course the athlete will eat more, he is more functional and agile! Also, in a world of expanding CPU's , cheaper RAM and HD's this is becoming non issue, esp for those who have the newest equipment to run their new os.

    I wouldnt call the effects in vista any more useless/hindering/silly than the effects in osx and to soon be in leopard...

    These are secondary problems, don't have to do with the os itself. anyways whats wrong with lots of versions? there are a lot of diff people with diff needs. not everyone needs vista ultimate extreme platinum black edition

    Mercedes take longer to build than Bicycles... that doesnt mean its a bad machine... what do you mean by takes longer to "get running smoothly" exactly?

    prob because those giving these reports are running them on their old machines.

    Perhaps, but that doesnt mean its WORSE than XP.

    this is a subjective thing.
     
  17. Draythor macrumors 6502

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    I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate Vista. But it does have flaws
    For instance there's old bits of 95 and 98 code floating around in there. I respect the point you make about manufacturers though. We've all seen that most Mac's (Intel) tend to run Vista more stably in Boot Camp than other PC's.
    However comparatively you'd get better performance and stability from the same computer running XP or Mac OS X than you would running Vista. This small fact means that most of the technologically fluent populous choose not to "upgrade".

    Also People want one version that incorporates everything.
    And for the love of Jehovah please stop using these ridiculous metaphors. An OS is an OS. Plain and simple! Not a Merc, not a Plant an Operating System.

    If you're asking for opinions expect that they won't all be the same as yours!
     
  18. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Where XP is tolerable, Vista is horrific and should be avoided at all cost. It's the overprotective nature that puts me off it, everything has a warning attached, the interface has lost that XP speed. Just not a fan.
     
  19. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    these are the kind of posts that i keep complaining about... stop being so broad and be specific about your objections... there are warnings because microsoft is telling you that your old s**t won't work with it, for the same reason why you would expect a warning before pumping diesel into your brand new gasoil bmw.
     
  20. decksnap macrumors 68040

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    So you asked the question just to try to refute the responses?

    A lot of your arguments don't really make sense. You asked, they answered.
     
  21. Draythor macrumors 6502

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    This is getting beyond a joke!
    First off he is referring to the security warnings that pop up every few minutes like an overexicited puppy which has just deficated on your kitchen floor! These warnings OS X dosen't need to bother the user with because it deals with them itself.

    Second off. If you bought a new OS you'd want it to work with your existing periphels and all manner of what you called so eloquently s**t within reason.

    Enough with the damn metaphors and similies!
     
  22. in-ten-city thread starter macrumors member

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    No. I asked because I expected logical answers that actually answered the question, and I refuted whenever the answer didnt answer the question itself or simply wasnt true.
     
  23. decksnap macrumors 68040

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    Well just to be clear... I think Much Ado's gripes are pretty accurate, and your responses to his post were pretty weak. Whichever poorly-crafted metaphor you try to attach to Vista's issues doesn't solve the problem, or refute the claim.
     
  24. Veil macrumors member

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    First, the warnings, that's just a preference. You can disable all that crap if you're an experienced user, and don't need the warnings. If you push a button, it's because you want to push it, and Vista shouldn't bother you with confirmations. That's not the problem.

    Regardless of ones opinions about the workings of Vista, Microsoft tries to do the exact same thing with Vista as Apple does with OSX: make it more usable for as many people as possible. Many users just aren't that experienced and click on everything. We all have parents, we all know how it works ;) One of Windows' problems is security, and I do think that these warnings help lots of people who just aren't that good with the inner workings of Windows.

    Second, the speed. Yes, it's much slower. But what alot of people are forgetting, XP was just a slow when I was shipped 6 (of 7?) years ago. The last 3-4 years everybody upgraded their PC, the hardware industry had quite a few boosts again on every level, and XP is running extremely fast now, almost everywhere. Why Vista can't be as fast as XP on our current hardware is an whole other question ofcourse, but that's just how Windows works.

    About Vista, I guess it just all depends what you want to do with it. Like I said, XP runs great on all our great hardware nowadays, is stable because of years of bugfixes and updates. Vista will too, over time. That's just how Windows is. If someone can't overcome these shortcomings, there's always OSX ;) Personally I think more advanced users know exactly when Windows crashes, when it hicks up, and know all the do's and don't. You get used to it, and you can work perfectly with it. Same for Vista. And I'm sure we all see OSX's beach ball a bit more often then we'd like to :)

    Since Apple's hardware isn't years ahead of the market, on an Apple XP will run much faster as Vista also. People who want to install Windows on their Mac usually do it so they can use a few specific programs. So why bother with a slower OS, when there's a fast an stable one?
     
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