Why does iCloud automatically back up every single app by default?

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  1. TH55 macrumors 68030

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    I just got an email saying I had almost reached my storage limit and would need to upgrade, so I went into my iCloud settings to see what I was backing up and I found this list. Is there any reason anyone would want or need to back up words with friends or facebook?

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  2. Small White Car macrumors G4

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    An automatic backup that simply threw out data because it thinks "eh, he doesn't need this" would be pretty much the most pointless piece of software ever written.
     
  3. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    It does it in almost every other area of iOS and most other smart software the defaults, other than for lock screen notification, are "smart" and intuitive - based on what most people will likely prefer.
     
  4. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Seems like one would expect it to backup everything it could until/unless one would change the settings themselves. It's simple enough to change those settings if and when needed/desired, so that pretty much takes care of it.
     
  5. rorschach macrumors 68020

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    It doesn't back up the actual app. It backs up the app's data. If you don't want it to then do what you did and just turn it off.

    If it's a game, a lot of people would want to back up their saved game data.
     
  6. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    There's noting "smart" or "intuitive" about a backup function that, by default, chooses to back up nothing. Most users would end up turning on iCloud backups, and then get a shock when they need to restore and discover that, no, backups weren't really turned on... because they had to turn it on, then turn it on again for each individual app.

    Quite the contrary, I'd bet that most people would likely prefer that it defaults to backing up all app data, and let the user decide - if they want to - to specify app data they don't want backed up.
     
  7. technosix macrumors 6502a

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    The current defaults are best considering many buyers are complete novices. They rightfully rely on Apple to do what's best for them.
     
  8. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    Part of Apple's plan for iCloud was to lure users into subscribing to cloud storage, rather than the free storage available on user's own spacious hard drives. The other part was that Apple could sell you more devices with iCloud helping you sync personalized data such as email, notes, calendar, contacts, links.
     
  9. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Ding ding ding. Best answer.

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    When did I say it should back up nothing?? I simply said it shouldn't back up everything.
     
  10. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    Who decides what's backed up and what isn't, then? And how is that inconsistency communicated to users?
     
  11. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Since storage costs money, it should only back up the most vital data. The rest should be optional.
     
  12. crashoverride77 macrumors 65816

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    Huh. So who decides what gets backuped? Same with time machine it backs up everything as it should and if you don't want certain things in the backup you exclude them.
    Imagine it would do what you suggest, there would be millions of people so pissed of when they restore their phone and half the stuff is missing. You really didnt think this through did you? :confused:
     
  13. chrfr macrumors 603

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    This would be a disaster for the average user who would naturally expect to get all their information back after restoring from an iCloud backup.
     
  14. orpheus1120 macrumors 65816

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    Who is in the position to decide what is vital and non-vital data to you? That definition itself is subjective to every users. There is nothing smart about backup unless you specifically tell the system what to and not to backup. If left on default, I would rather Apple errs on the safe side of backing up everything rather than finding out later the data I want isn't backup because it doesn't fall inside the vital data list of Apple.

    Seriously? Have you ever backup anything in your life before?
     
  15. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I just had to manually go through and turn off 40+ backups for apps I've never even opened so I didn't run out of storage space. Extremely inefficient.
     
  16. Newtons Apple macrumors Pentium

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    Sounds like you need to delete some of these apps that you have never used. Then they would no longer need backing up!
     
  17. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    Again, who decides which data is most vital?

    Also, iCloud storage only costs money if you specifically buy it. If your backup data exceeds your storage level, you're notified and can then make decisions about waht to do, whether that means buying more storage, or deciding something has to go.
     
  18. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    You have to buy it, there's not enough space for everything it backs up by default.
     
  19. chrfr macrumors 603

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    That isn't true for everyone. My complete iPhone backup uses 3.7GB of iCloud space.
     
  20. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    So how much app/game space is taking up, like that Words with Friends example you used?

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    You mean you actually did what you should be doing and decided what you need to backup and what you don't. You just didn't like that you needed to spend a few minutes once (or once in a rare while) to do it.

    Cleaning the house is quite time consuming and has to be repeated on a regular basis. Extremely stupid isn't it? Why do we bother doing it when we can just perhaps not do anything inside a house and so things won't get dirty nearly as quickly?

    It's all just reality. Many might not like many aspects of reality, but it doesn't change what it is just because someone might not like it.
     
  21. TH55 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I'm sorry, terrible analogy. Cleaning is unavoidable. Technology and software is 100% man made and its prime objective, at least smart phones, is to make life easier and more organized.
     
  22. C DM, Feb 15, 2015
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    It still needs to be managed. That's one important piece to overlook or to think that doesn't or shouldn't exist.

    When you get a new phone why doesn't it turn on for the very first time and have everything set up and configured to your liking? Why do you have to spend some time (usually well over a minute or even a few minutes) setting it up? It's technology and some of the newst technology but we have to "waste" our time configuring it when we start using it.
     
  23. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    In any case, how much space are we talking about here when it comes to app data?

    Based on a few phones that I've dealt with over the years and various family members (as well as my own) the numbers involved are mostly in KB with occasionally being a few MB, meaning they are practically statistically I significant as far as the space they take up compared to everything else.
     
  24. swordfish5736 macrumors 68000

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    If you've never opened the app it's not storing anything in a backup. Hence why it says no data.

    To that point, if you've never opened it why do you have the app on your device?

    Maybe you should look at what is actually filling your backups. Probably photos/videos, and messages conversations.
     
  25. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    It's actually an excellent analogy. And as you point out, the technology is man-made, and humanity is distinct in being particualrly non-uniform in how they think and what their preferences are. As a result, what works for many people may not work for a minority of certain other people. Unfortunately this time, you're on the losing side of this. It happens.

    Until Apple perfects hardware that can read minds, some effort will be required to let your phone (and icloud account) know what your preferences are.

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    Like your whole argument, you're assuming that your specific experience is universal. It's not.
     

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