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A recent incident in which I lost important data due to a buggy iPad app and found out too late is having me question: why isn’t there an easy way to save and retrieve previous versions of iPad data—like Macs have with Time Machine?

For devices that you depend on for work, an automated way to backup versions of data and a straightforward way to retrieve them is CRITICAL to a good workflow while safeguarding against data loss. I understand why this didn’t exist when iPads were introduced as primarily consumption devices, but iPads are advertised as work devices now.

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iCloud doesn’t keep versions. Backing up to iTunes can save versions (by either opting to not overwrite previous backups or by backing up iTunes to Time Machine), but having to plug my iPad into my Mac often to backup is a non-starter (in this day and age, why shouldn’t that be wireless and automatic just like the iTunes Wifi Sync feature—also aren’t iPads supposed to be Mac-independent?). But maybe equally important, as far as I’m aware, it doesn’t allow you to restore individual app data. You have to make a backup of the current state of your iPad, restore to a previous backup (guessing which previous backup to use since you can’t see the actual backup data), extract the specific data from the app if the app allows it, then restore the iPad to the most recent backup. And hopefully if the app allows it you would import the data back into the app. I’m not even sure this would work for all apps and types of data.

Or is there a better, surer way to do it that I’m not aware of?

Apple needs to add versioning to iCloud backup or allow automatic wifi iTunes backups, preferably both. And support restoring of individual app data.
I sent them feedback.
 
I agree with this. Don’t know why they don’t do it. I think if you backup manually using iTunes then you can get versioning. At least that’s how it used to be. I haven’t done an iTunes backup in ages.
 
Get the "iMazing 2" app. It's currently on sale from Macworld at a 68% discount off the regular price. It does wireless backups plus much more. It will also do selective restores of data and keeps versions as asked above.
 
Get the "iMazing 2" app. It's currently on sale from Macworld at a 68% discount off the regular price. It does wireless backups plus much more. It will also do selective restores of data and keeps versions as asked above.

Interesting. I wouldn’t think a third party could do iOS backups. I’ll definitely check it out.
Out of curiosity, are you affiliated with iMazing?
 
I had the same problem with goodnotes and notability. I accidentally lost my iCloud notes in Goodnotes. I couldn't retrieve any of them. I didn't have goodnotes backing up. I now have it set up to back up to Google drive but it would be nice to simply plug in USB drive and have a complete backup of my iPad.
 
tldr

A recent incident in which I lost important data due to a buggy iPad app and found out too late is having me question: why isn’t there an easy way to save and retrieve previous versions of iPad data—like Macs have with Time Machine?

For devices that you depend on for work, an automated way to backup versions of data and a straightforward way to retrieve them is CRITICAL to a good workflow while safeguarding against data loss. I understand why this didn’t exist when iPads were introduced as primarily consumption devices, but iPads are advertised as work devices now.

—————

iCloud doesn’t keep versions. Backing up to iTunes can save versions (by either opting to not overwrite previous backups or by backing up iTunes to Time Machine), but having to plug my iPad into my Mac often to backup is a non-starter (in this day and age, why shouldn’t that be wireless and automatic just like the iTunes Wifi Sync feature—also aren’t iPads supposed to be Mac-independent?). But maybe equally important, as far as I’m aware, it doesn’t allow you to restore individual app data. You have to make a backup of the current state of your iPad, restore to a previous backup (guessing which previous backup to use since you can’t see the actual backup data), extract the specific data from the app if the app allows it, then restore the iPad to the most recent backup. And hopefully if the app allows it you would import the data back into the app. I’m not even sure this would work for all apps and types of data.

Or is there a better, surer way to do it that I’m not aware of?

Apple needs to add versioning to iCloud backup or allow automatic wifi iTunes backups, preferably both. And support restoring of individual app data.
I sent them feedback.
I think Time Machine needs some work for the Mac honestly.. why do I need an AirPort Extreme to use a external HD wirelessly?
 
I think Time Machine needs some work for the Mac honestly.. why do I need an AirPort Extreme to use a external HD wirelessly?
True. I just hope a refactored Time Machine, APFS optimized, is coming for both the Mac and iOS (12?).
 
I think Time Machine needs some work for the Mac honestly.. why do I need an AirPort Extreme to use a external HD wirelessly?

True but at least it’s AN option. (I believe there are also third party NAS options.) If an AirPort Extreme could help give me easy automatic versioned backups of my iOS devices I would snatch one up immediately.
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I agree with this. Don’t know why they don’t do it. I think if you backup manually using iTunes then you can get versioning. At least that’s how it used to be. I haven’t done an iTunes backup in ages.

Yeah you can manually archive your device backups in iTunes so that new backups don’t overwrite it. But you have to do that for each backup you don’t want overwritten. What a pain! I’m not worrying about it though since I can rely on my time machine for versioning. So I’m just doing manual wired iTunes backups for now, which is still a pain. I’m going to look into one or two third-party possible automatic wireless solutions when I get a chance.
 
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I think Time Machine needs some work for the Mac honestly.. why do I need an AirPort Extreme to use a external HD wirelessly?
?????????

I have one PowerBook G4 that's mobile and backs up wherever it is to my PowerMac G3 server. I have a PowerMac G5 here at work that backs up to my server at home.

Neither of these use a VPN. Both Macs are using Time Machine on OS X Leopard 10.5.8 (PowerPC) and back up directly right over the internet.

I've done this for years and when I first started it was a simple matter of enabling non-supported disks through a terminal command. The PowerBook is on WiFi, by the way when it backs up.

Has Apple really locked down the later versions of OS X so much that what I can do in Leopard is now not possible in macOS?

PS. I don't have an Airport Extreme, just a router and a RAID hooked up via eSATA to the G3 and shared. Maybe that's the difference?
 
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