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Why does MS make apple programs, but apple doesnt make MS programs?

MasterNile said:
If you don't agree, then what is a better source to go by?
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I dont know, and I don't really care. You stated your opinion that you think iLife is a major selling point for college students, I think it's something else. Unless either of us care to look for some poll statistics (which themselves have to be taken with a grain of salt), then they remain just that: opinions. I do not consider personal attestations "facts" more than I would consider a single data point indicating a "trend."

I'm perfectly content to give my opinion and leave it as such. I guess I agree that "some" of the appeal is due to iLife, but what does "some" mean? 1%, 5%, 95% ? Shrug. Wow, we're way off topic, so I'll just leave it at that.

As far as why Apple doesn't convert the major apps; it's all about locking in the customer to the hardware. If they make their Pro software available on windows, they lose out on the advantage of uniqueness. Several people have stated this already.
 
Wow, this thread reads like an intro to philosophy (or forensics, or something...) class, with the "you didn't not disprove my point thus.." stuff :D lol

SnowLeopard2008 said:
Microsoft is a [fail] software company. Apple is a [successful] software and hardware company. Microsoft is also much bigger than Apple. Porting suites like iLife to PC would wreck havoc and cause damage to both companies. QuickTime, Safari, iTunes, Filemaker are all software that Apple makes available to both OSes (Windows and Mac OS X).

If Apple made iLife for PC, then their quality will slip because PC has all sorts of hardware combinations, most of them aimed towards cheap to manufacture ideals. Not all of them would run iLife well or at all. Apple keeps a tight control (as they should) over their Macs hardware to ensure a great experience. And in addition, Windows changes too much and almost every single new version leaves compatibility a nuclear war zone. For one year, XP programs had problems running in Vista. The platform's coding varied by too much.

Let's not start a Mac vs. PC war... [Says the man starting a Mac vs. PC war...]


My last point is that Apple's apps for Windows have maximum compatibility with the Mac versions. Microsoft's Office Suite for Mac sucks because the simple action of using Spaces in Leopard will screw up the Formatting Palette (basic necessity) in any Office app. And there is a cost factor. Office costs an upwards of $300. Apple's much better suite called iWork is just $79. In a business stand point, Microsoft makes more from $300 than Apple from $79.
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Way to generalize there man. Some pretty gross generalizations... As much as you want to hate on Microsoft, give them credit. Their code is ultimately... well, I don't want to say "better", but again, give them credit. Their product actually will run on damn near ANY hardware configuration you want to load it on. Try that with OSX. I dare you.

Additionally, they (M$) are actually willing to sell to whoever wants their product. They sell to massive corporations, one of the reasons they have an ~80% market share and Apple doesn't. Like others have said, that is because Apple is a niche seller. They are perfectly happy giving certain (*cough* xMac / mid-tower *cough*) markets the high and mighty one fingered wave. Nothing against them for it, but M$ swoops right in and fills those markets, again, one of the reasons Apple doesn't have the majority market share.
 
miles01110 said:
You were doing so well, until you said that. iWork is terrible.
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Personal Opinion... UH!!!

I hate the interface to Office 2008..... If I could... I would still be in Office 98... :D

I just find that now, so many of my Clients have Office 2007 for PC... Office 2004 just crashes!!!

Pages/Keynote/Numbers.... sorts this, and with some of the new features of iWork 09'.... I don't think that I will be able to switch back... In fact... I got rid of office on all of my Families machines last week :p
 
DoFoT9 said:
its not that major to do... its VERY easy..... hardly any hacking at all. unless you know what your talking about please dont give the wrong impressions to people.
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Okay, can you explain how easy it is to install OSX on an HP laptop?
 
Having read through all this, I find it hilarious! A good read, would recommend to friends, cracking comedy from the start etc etc
 
miles01110 said:
You were doing so well, until you said that. iWork is terrible.
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Neither are perfect.

MS has the market in office suite software and has for a long time. Apple is still not out of the game. Who would have thought many years ago Apple would have a chance with cell phones or MP3 players?

If I had to choose which product is more diseased with issues, it would be Microsoft Office over Microsoft Windows. I don't think, in the long run, Windows will lose their grip, on their particular market share. But Office, a bloated, hard to use app, is vulnerable. If anybody can challenge MS in the office suite market, it's Apple. iWork right now isn't it, but Apple never stops innovating and an innovation in an office suite is something that is sorely needed (and has been for many years).
 
Trajectory said:
Okay, can you explain how easy it is to install OSX on an HP laptop?
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There are numerous threads on this site.

I am pretty happy with OS X on my Mac mini, but I am not against people wanting to put OS X on an Intel-based Mac. Acer Aspires, Dell minis, and MSI Winds, along with HP, Compaq, and eMachines are all viable providing you sticky mostly with the Intel Core 2 Duo powered PCs.

The entry level Macbook at $999 with OS X installed is a much better option. I saw a similarly equipped HP laptop with Windows for $799 being versatile, thin, and light, but then you would have to buy OS X separately and even then, the HP is still not as solidly built. Every Mac laptop from my original iBook through everything I have seen up until now are built like tanks.

The better value is the Macbook for any full sized laptop, thus the porting of OS X into very inexpensive PC netbooks as a good value since netbooks are $249 to $399 online. So if your PC netbook breaks down, it's not such a big loss. For anything over $600 total (meaning a usually not so solidly built PC laptop with OS X purchased separately), it just makes so much more sense to pay $999 for a Macbook.
 
miles01110 said:
You were doing so well, until you said that. iWork is terrible.
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I agree. iWork is a work in progress (I fought not to say "iWork" in progress). At the moment there is nothing that trumps Office 07 for PC. Even though it's ribbon interface isn't exactly my favorite, but using Office Mac is pretty frustrating.

Outside of that, MS is a software company so why wouldn't they make software for every available platform? Apple on the other hand is Willy Wonka's Factory, they do whatever the hell they want to.
 
Trajectory said:
I know, I've seen some of them. Which is why I asked for the easy explanation of how this is done, as I haven't seen that in any of those threads.
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I am a techie (Apple and PC on-site warranty and self-employed) and some of those instructions, while simple to professional technicians, may not be for a home user. I would get with an Apple Genius, or technician who knows the Mac techie stuff and have them help you in person. Of course, don't do this in an Apple Store as they would probably not want OS X on a PC, yet, or ever ... but any move to make OS X just for Apple products is clearly illegal in the United States and goes against every related Appeals Court and Supreme Court (both state and federal) that has ever been decided on. Apple knows this and a huge door is left open for a future assault on the PC world. MS couldn't stop Linux and they won't be able to stop Apple if we want to allow OS X available for the PC masses, and advertised as so. If MS tries to stop Apple, there is this nifty anti-trust thingy we have here in the states. I would like to see a battle while still a JD/MBA student and the professors would not be able to talk about anything else, especially where I live! :)

For legality, use a purchased copy of OS X since many techies, unfortunately, like to experiment with pirated software. The US v. Dell, and US v. Gateway cases, have shown that Apple (or any hardware or software company) could never tell anybody legally where to put software if said software is bought legally, outside of telling the user not to use multiple machines beyond what they limit to, and for the buyer not to copy disks and sell/give them out.
 
63dot said:
I am a techie (Apple and PC on-site warranty and self-employed) and some of those instructions, while simple to professional technicians, may not be for a home user. I would get with an Apple Genius, or technician who knows the Mac techie stuff and have them help you in person.
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So, in other words, it's not that easy to install OSX on an HP laptop unless you're a professional technician. Thanks for clarifying my point.
 
Trajectory said:
So, in other words, it's not that easy to install OSX on an HP laptop unless you're a professional technician. Thanks for clarifying my point.
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He he, or at least a high end tinkerer (of which some are as good as a pro techie, or better ... think early Woz). ;)

PS - Those self taught teens (and pre-teens) and early 20s, largely uneducated self proclaimed techies (such as Woz was in his Apple founder days), just kill the overeducated PhDs who have a lot of theory and training, but no vision or common sense a lot of the time. You don't have to use a certified or degreed techie, just someone who knows the ropes.
 
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