Why doesn't Safari have built-in Flash?

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by v2club, Aug 28, 2011.

  1. v2club macrumors regular

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    Why doesn't Safari have built-in Flash like Google Chrome? Also "Instant" would be awesome feature for Safari.
     
  2. hitekalex macrumors 68000

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    If these features of Chrome are important to you - why not just run Chrome?
     
  3. aziatiklover macrumors 68030

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    That's the reason why I use chrome and have stopped using Firefox and Safari. lol but for sure it would be awesome tho. Apple need to do that since they don't have flash preinstall in there Macs.
     
  4. Steve's Barber macrumors 6502a

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    Steve and Adobe don't see eye-to-eye. I actually think it was personal. Perhaps Cook will take a different approach but not likely.
     
  5. Hellhammer Moderator

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    Macs used to come with Flash player pre-installed but Apple removed that about a year ago. Built-in Flash has its cons because it's updated along with the browser. That means when a new version of Flash is released, it takes awhile before the browser is updated with that version. Separate package guarantees that you can run the most recent version.
     
  6. v2club thread starter macrumors regular

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    I've got that on my PC and it sucks, all the time there is a balloon pooing-up saying that there is a new update... Anyway what about the "Instant"?
     
  7. Daveoc64 macrumors 601

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    Google often releases Flash updates in Google Chrome before Adobe does (it works very closely with them to get them out there) - they even pre-emptively release their own fixes for flaws in Flash.

    Google doesn't treat security like a Joke - unlike Apple.
     
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    Most recent Flash Player: 10.3.183.7

    Most recent Chrome's (13.0.782.215) Flash player: 10.3.183.5
     
  9. Lokheed macrumors regular

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    According to Apple, Flash had problems with security, performance, and stability. Because of these factors, they distanced themselves from it.
    Adobe has a sorted history of not advancing software once they acquire a stranglehold on the industry.

    Lack of smartphone integration, long delays between updates, inability to squash bugs, and above all failure to expand on interoperability are just the glaring mistakes Adobe has made.

    Mossberg slammed Shantanu Narayen at D9 this year on some of those points. Shantanu Narayen did nothing to address his concerns, opting to talk business rather than product: http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/video-walt-mossberg-slams-adobe-ceo-over-flash-at-d9/

    For Apple, it's a business decision (despite what anyone will have you believe—Jobs didn't turn Apple around by throwing temper tantrums and acting like a baby). They likely feel that they can maintain their high user experience (which is holistic) without it. After all, those that really need it, are free to install it with a few simple clicks.
     
  10. Daveoc64, Aug 28, 2011
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    While the version number is different, there is no difference in functionality or security.

    Some Flash releases are not required in Chrome because of its security model or because they don't apply.

    Flash Player 10.3.183.7 fixes issues in 10.3.183.5 that aren't relevant to Chrome users.

    Adobe itself is not pushing out 10.3.183.7 through the autoupdater if you have 10.3.183.5 because it's not deemed important enough.
     

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