Why Don't We use Firewire anymore?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by NRose8989, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. NRose8989 macrumors 6502a

    Feb 6, 2008
    I'm sure this has been covered but I'm curious why Apple doesn't allow syncing iPods and iPhones with firewire anymore? This only raised my concern because i'm syncing my iPhone and it's taking forever.
  2. quagmire macrumors 603


    Apr 19, 2004
    Apple's new obsession of getting the device to be as thin as possible has led to them removing FireWire as the chip will require the casing to be a bit thicker then with just USB 2.0.
  3. sushi Moderator emeritus


    Jul 19, 2002
    Also, most PCs do not come with FW, but rather USB.

    These days, Apple is more focused on cross platform compatibility.

    I miss FW syncing as well.
  4. thor79 macrumors 6502


    Jun 8, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Actually most PC's these days come with FireWire.

    My brand new motherboard has one port on the back I/O panel and another port on internal headers on the motherboard.

    USB is simply the more widely accepted standard in the computer industry as a whole (PC and Mac included). Sepcifically in the PC community FireWire is hardly used at all compared to USB. The same motherboard I mentioned above, has 6 USB ports on that I/O panel and another 4 on internal motherboard headers...for 10 total compared to 2.
  5. Ibjr macrumors 6502a

    Jun 29, 2002
    Eastern seaboard
    Because transferring a series of small files is nearly as quick under USB 2.0. Use FW if you have a large file and need substantial high speeds.
  6. djcraze macrumors regular


    Jul 3, 2007
    maybe on firewire 400 but not on firewire 800 ;)
  7. Ibjr macrumors 6502a

    Jun 29, 2002
    Eastern seaboard
    And neither the macbook nor mac mini come with FW800 so Apple wouldn't require it for a consumer device. :p
  8. Michael CM1 macrumors 603

    Feb 4, 2008
    Because almost every computer made since 2000 has USB, most of which have USB 2.0. In the early days, FW was chosen because USB 1.1 was slow as hell. But now I think USB is actually faster (480Mbps for USB 2 vs. 400Mbps for FW400). Yes, there is FW800, but only a fraction of people have a computer with that. In fact, the new Dell I got my mom doesn't have FW at all (because I wanted to save $20-40), let alone 800.

    As far as the people mentioning the speed of FW800, USB 3.0 is supposed to start coming out next year. It's going to knock the pants off FW800. Speed of more than 4Gbps. That will be backward compatible with the other USBs, so there ya go.

    In short, FireWire is slowly dying. It has its uses, especially with digital video. But these new camcorders with hard drives use USB to sync since they don't need to stream anything. I don't know that FireWire will ever really die, but it will always take a popular back seat to USB.
  9. Marky macrumors regular

    Jan 4, 2005
    This is probably a really stupid question......

    The iPhone 3g doesn't come with it's own dock but it will fit on my old iPod's dock that used a firewire cable, can I safely (as in no danger to the iPhone) use the firewire dock with the iPhone instead of USB?

    As I said this is probably a stupid question but call me stupid! lol
  10. butterfly0fdoom macrumors 6502a

    Oct 17, 2007
    Camp Snoopy
    Ok, laptops are gaining in sales as desktops decline. PC laptops typically use 4-pin instead of 6-pin. That would cause consumer confusion between the two different types of connectors; 4-pin doesn't support charging, either. It's not just simplicity in design, but also simplicity for consumers.

    USB may be faster on paper, but it isn't faster in reality.
  11. Cousin Dirk macrumors 6502a

    Jan 1, 2008
    London, UK
    I believe that won't work. You might (BIG might) be able to charge the phone via FireWire, but it won't sync via it. I tried this once with an iPod. Similarly, if you have an older FireWire iPod, it won't sync or charge via USB.

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