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Ermir444

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Because the 2018 is a worse external design with a horrible strip of pixelated lights instead of functional Fn keys.
Because the 2018 has a worse internal design that cannot accommodate the new "super duper fast" Intel chips and has to throttle them to even below the 2017 performance.
Because the 2018 is $500 more expensive with all the above drawbacks and only touch ID the as only usefull addition.
Because the upcoming 2018 entry level Mac laptop will likely compromise on screen quality, processor etc.

Get the entry level MBP while it lasts at this price point
 

Schranke

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Apr 3, 2010
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Because the 2018 is a worse external design with a horrible strip of pixelated lights instead of functional Fn keys.
Can we get over this soon? like really most people buying the nTB does it due to this reason...
Because the 2018 has a worse internal design that cannot accommodate the new "super duper fast" Intel chips and has to throttle them to even below the 2017 performance.
Because the 2018 is $500 more expensive with all the above drawbacks and only touch ID the as only usefull addition.
Because the upcoming 2018 entry level Mac laptop will likely compromise on screen quality, processor etc.
Much better reasoning you provide here for 2017 vs 2018
 

afir93

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Jan 5, 2018
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I'd be very careful buying the 2016/2017 models now that the 2018 ones are out, if for nothing else then for the keyboard issues which are most likely fixed in the 2018 ones. Sure there's the replacement program, but I'd still rather not take that risk, now that we are given the choice. (And, even with thermal issues, the other improvements of the 2018 MBPs are no joke either...)

But of course it depends a lot on the price. We'll probably see some great discounts on the 2016/2017 models now that the 2018 ones are out.
 

Abaganov

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Jun 30, 2016
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Because the 2018 is a worse external design with a horrible strip of pixelated lights instead of functional Fn keys.
Because the 2018 has a worse internal design that cannot accommodate the new "super duper fast" Intel chips and has to throttle them to even below the 2017 performance.
Because the 2018 is $500 more expensive with all the above drawbacks and only touch ID the as only usefull addition.
Because the upcoming 2018 entry level Mac laptop will likely compromise on screen quality, processor etc.

Get the entry level MBP while it lasts at this price point

what about the keyboard issue tho that is now supposedly fixed? that by itself will make me wait for the 2018 update for this model
 
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Ma2k5

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Dec 21, 2012
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I returned that exact model due to keyboard issues. As it isn't getting any membrane upgrade, I would not be comfortable with repurchasing it.

I think that this model may get a refresh later this year with the new keyboard and potentially the Cannonlake i3-8121U (the rest of the Cannonlake chips aren't ready for a while, but I think this one might be).
 

Ermir444

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I returned that exact model due to keyboard issues. As it isn't getting any membrane upgrade, I would not be comfortable with repurchasing it.

I think that this model may get a refresh later this year with the new keyboard and potentially the Cannonlake i3-8121U (the rest of the Cannonlake chips aren't ready for a while, but I think this one might be).

That's a valid concern which i thought long and hard about. Hear my reasoning:

There is no way Apple does not replace the keyboard with 3rd gen or with a whole new mac equipped with 3rd gen. following the recent lawsuits. its clear as day that the design is faulty and they admitted it by putting the thin silicone strip on the 3rd gen. Further proof on the internal memo sent to staff. They are trying very hard to avoid a large scale recall, but i believe it will be silently replaced with a 3rd gen if broken.
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You don't feel safe when you need to make a post on a website to justify your purchase.

For me, I don't spend today's money on yesterday's technologies. But it's okay if you get a decent discount for that machine and you're happy with it.
Got a very good deal on it and for the life of me could not see the value on the new one with all the drawbacks, and cannot tolerate the TB.
 

Ma2k5

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That's a valid concern which i thought long and hard about. Hear my reasoning:

There is no way Apple does not replace the keyboard with 3rd gen or with a whole new mac equipped with 3rd gen. following the recent lawsuits. its clear as day that the design is faulty and they admitted it by putting the thin silicone strip on the 3rd gen. Further proof on the internal memo sent to staff. They are trying very hard to avoid a large scale recall, but i believe it will be silently replaced with a 3rd gen if broken.

From what I've read, 3rd gen is strictly for 2018 models - the top case hasn't been created for non 2018 models (some people have mentioned they think they got the new top base on 2016/17 repairs but I haven't seen any evidence of the membrane keyboard on replacements, it seems the battery capacity is what made them think they had - but some users have refuted these claims). The Gen 3 top case has a different design and is not backward compatible from what people have said.

Your keyboard will be the old keyboard most likely unless you buy a newly manufactured one and not old stock, or until you decide to go through a repair programme - where it will be replaced by a Gen 2 keyboard which is made from a different alloy so that it is stronger. But it won't get the membrane keyboard unfortunately.
 

mr.anthonyramos

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Apr 25, 2015
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Can we get over this soon? like really most people buying the nTB does it due to this reason...

Much better reasoning you provide here for 2017 vs 2018

@Schranke don't bother asking these questions as if you check his posts around the forums, he goes around like a troll.

@Ermir444 posting simply to justify your purchase without any substantial reason just shows your need to compensate for something. You buy something you need and great, but itemizing why you bought it and what you don't like about why you didn't buy this and that isn't a very convincing statement.

Lastly, you're definitely out of luck with the third gen keyboard. They will not put the third gen keyboards on the 2017 models. They've done their part by providing an extension of warranty. This is official.
 
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Hakiroto

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Each to their own, I guess. I'd personally not buy last year's model. The True Tone display, T2 chip, improved keyboard, and newer generation processors in the 2018 make it much more attractive in my opinion.
 
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Lobwedgephil

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Apple could not update the non touch bar model, but it is much more likely they update it later this year when the chip is available, I would have waited.
 
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macintoshmac

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Because the 2018 is a worse external design with a horrible strip of pixelated lights instead of functional Fn keys.
Because the 2018 has a worse internal design that cannot accommodate the new "super duper fast" Intel chips and has to throttle them to even below the 2017 performance.
Because the 2018 is $500 more expensive with all the above drawbacks and only touch ID the as only usefull addition.
Because the upcoming 2018 entry level Mac laptop will likely compromise on screen quality, processor etc.

Get the entry level MBP while it lasts at this price point

Good for you. When did you buy? Why did you buy this 2017 and not a 2015?
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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Because the 2018 is $500 more expensive with all the above drawbacks and only touch ID the as only usefull addition
You get a slower processor that has less cores, and while for many people that's ok. I think its good to post that there are differences between the 13" touchbar model and non-touchbar model.

Because the 2018 has a worse internal design that cannot accommodate the new "super duper fast" Intel chips and has to throttle them to even below the 2017 performance.
Actually there's a very easy fix, use mac fan control and spin the fans up a bit more. Apple has them too slow for a quieter experience but given the heat, it is an easy fix.

To each his own, and clearly your personal preference is such, that you like the nTB model. That doesn't mean the nTB is best for everyone, but for your needs it is
 

Ermir444

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May 12, 2017
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@Schranke don't bother asking these questions as if you check his posts around the forums, he goes around like a troll.

@Ermir444 posting simply to justify your purchase without any substantial reason just shows your need to compensate for something. You buy something you need and great, but itemizing why you bought it and what you don't like about why you didn't buy this and that isn't a very convincing statement.

Lastly, you're definitely out of luck with the third gen keyboard. They will not put the third gen keyboards on the 2017 models. They've done their part by providing an extension of warranty. This is official.
Time will tell if they put a 3rd gen or not. The base is the place to be for my needs and ive given all the argumets as to why on my original post. The throteled 2018 version with the pixelated touchbar will go down as the worst MBP in recen histori alongside the G5 and 2006 first gen intel version
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You get a slower processor that has less cores, and while for many people that's ok. I think its good to post that there are differences between the 13" touchbar model and non-touchbar model.


Actually there's a very easy fix, use mac fan control and spin the fans up a bit more. Apple has them too slow for a quieter experience but given the heat, it is an easy fix.

To each his own, and clearly your personal preference is such, that you like the nTB model. That doesn't mean the nTB is best for everyone, but for your needs it is
You serious? So I have to use a 3rd party softare just to get my brand new, state of the art, overpriced MBP to reach the BASE coock speed?
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The 2017 nTB should only be purchased used, space gray, A grade, hopefully with existing Apple care at a price less then retail.
Agreed, or at a steep disscount just how i got it.
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Good for you. When did you buy? Why did you buy this 2017 and not a 2015?
Thank you. Never really considered the 2015 because it was not available. I find the base 2017 the best value as of now
 
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