Why I think we will see a new MBA sooner than expected...

Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by Adokimus, Feb 28, 2008.

  1. Adokimus macrumors 6502a

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    Why I think we will see a new MBA sooner than expected:


    According to the recent page 1 article,




    This is not the only place I have read that Intel is pushing its newest processors out for a big Montevina move in. And if you look at the MR Buyer's Guide for the Macbook, there is a clear break in a steady pattern of release dates, and my guess is that it has to do with Intel lighting a fire under Apple's bum,

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    Next, there's the processor in the current Air. As said at http://blogs.computerworld.com/macbook_air_reccomendation_wait ,



    Now, when looking to the Intel product roadmap, there are two Penryn chips to be released in May that stick out for obvious reasons,

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    These are low-voltage chips, coming in at 1.6 and 1.8 GHz, and with Penryn's already lowered battery consumption, they could have a much greater impact on the Air's battery life than say the 2.1 GHz Penryn processor that is already released. Also, these two processors have 6 mb of cache as opposed to the 3 mb cache some are complaining about with the new macbooks. These two chips STICK OUT. It's almost like they were made with the Air specifically in mind. Now, I'm not sure how things are on the iPod HDD and SDD front, but those fields are always rapidly increasing in regard to capacity and performance. Just like the iPod touch and iPhone received randomly scheduled updates, I think the Air will be refreshed sooner than you expect.

    And that's all I have to say about that.

    -Ado
     
  2. mashinhead macrumors 68020

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    yea i read about this a couple weeks ago. they will probably drop them in but it isn't really an upgrade, nothing will change except power consumption.
     
  3. Adokimus thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Hey, if it means I get a *real* 5 hours of productivity out of the Air, it would be one heck of an upgrade.
     
  4. shoulin333 macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe not.

    The thing is the 45nm chips are no smaller than the 65nm chips.. only the Die's are smaller.

    This means intel will have to again create a custom package to house the new 45nm chip in the size that is in the MBA now..

    also the chips that are in the MBA are not ultra low voltage processors, i dont see them going to those 2 processors you listed anytime soon as 1.6 / 1.8 penryn's with ULV would probably be slower, only benefit being SSE4.


    seeing how intel had to customize this package so greatly for the 65nm dies, it would not be logical for them to phase them out so quickly, they wouldn't do it before intel / apple had time to recoup their costs of engineering.


    This all being said, i bet we might see small MBA updates like larger HDD / SSD... but as far as processor we will probably have to wait until the end of the year (nov?)
     
  5. ntrigue macrumors 68040

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    Well-spoken. I am in the corner that expects an aggressive Intel/Apple upgrade pathway over the next year. Then we will see Nehalem and not need anymore power.
     
  6. spaceballl macrumors 68030

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    this stuff is pretty obvious. Ever since the switch to Intel, Apple goes on Intel's clock. So when Intel releases 45nm CPUs and phases out the 65nm CPUs, it's pretty obvious that Apple will get those CPUs - MBA, MB, and MBP...

    People keep posting slides and screenshots and this and that saying that it's "evidence" that something new is coming. No, really. Of course something new is coming...
     
  7. Adokimus thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    One quick comment for shoulin333, the two chips I highlighted are low-voltage, not Ultra-low voltage (there is a difference, I didn't just make that up).

    I'm not sure what would be involved with bringing Montevina to the MBA, but if that process is *relatively* simple (in that the current internals can easily be upgraded and still fit) then the new processors will also bring 6 mb cache vs. the current 4 mb cache, and they will have a faster bus speed 1066 MHz vs. 800 MHz currently. Then there's the improvement in battery-life and the improved graphics. Maybe then Apple will also offer a 4GB RAM option. I'm just letting people know that the tech is almost ready and I think Apple will update the Air faster than other products like the MB or MBP.
     
  8. Adokimus thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Something new is ALWAYS coming, obviously. We can all be content with that knowledge. But, this is a rumor site. I was just putting together my thoughts on "what" I think is coming and a guess on "when" it is coming. I'm sorry you were unimpressed by my screenshots. :rolleyes:
     
  9. shoulin333 macrumors 6502a

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    That i agree with once they get Montevina and have the higher FSB it will deff be worth it.

    I'm not saying your wrong, just saying that even though the 45nm will obviously fit in the package, they still have to engineer how the traces will connect.. not a quick job.
     
  10. harmonica01 macrumors 6502

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    Well, the battery time keeps changing on mine, but i just bought it yesterday. However using iTunes, Safari and Pages and Adium battery lasted from 8:30am-2:10ish-pm today giving me 20 min to walk to class for an exam, fluctuated brightness from 3rd from lowest to middle but never put screen nor comp to sleep cuse was constantly typing or listening to lectures in iTunes

    A+ to this Macbook air i get a whole extra hour than I did from my MBP
     
  11. netdog macrumors 603

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    By June, I will have been getting a great deal of use out of my Air. Will be a nice upgrade for others and it is a very nice machine right now.
     
  12. Adokimus thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Hey, I hear you. I'm still loving my 16 GB 1st Gen iPod touch, even though it would be great to have the 32 GB that came out less than 6 months later. For me, it's a matter of economics, in that it will take me at least two more months to save up for the high-end (1.8/64) Air, and by that point I'm just trying to reason if I should wait for the next model or not...
     
  13. mogzieee macrumors 6502a

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    All of this does make a lot of sense it has to be said, but Apple Inc is surely a larger company than Intel, surely it's Apple's job to be pushing Intel around... not the other way round...
     
  14. saltyzoo macrumors 65816

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    Intel customers by revenue:

    Dell ================
    HP =============
    Gateway =======
    Apple ==

    Hey boss, Apple is demanding x. Apple who?
     
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    Intel customers by revenue:

    Dell ================
    HP =============
    Gateway =======
    Apple ==

    Hey boss, Apple is demanding x. Apple who?
     
  16. saltyzoo macrumors 65816

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    Intel customers by revenue:

    Dell ================
    HP =============
    Gateway =======
    Apple ==

    Intel employee: Hey boss, Apple is demanding x.
    Intel exec: Apple who?



    Even more importantly:

    Intel employee: Hey boss, Apple is demanding x.
    Intex exec: Yeah, so? What are they gonna do if we don't? Switch back to PPC? ha ha ha
     
  17. em500 macrumors regular

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    Huh? Intel is larger than Apple by almost all measures (revenue, profit, balance sheet assets, employees, market value). There were a few months last year that the market value of AAPL surpassed INTC, but that bubble has burst since January.

    Not only that, Intel has almost no competition in the market for high performance desktop and laptop CPUs, as AMD has fallen far behind, and other CPU manufacturers are mostly interested in server and embedded processors. Apple needs Intel more than the other way around.
     
  18. emotion macrumors 68040

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    ...switch to AMD. Not so bad an option. However, Intel have the edge for laptops at the moment.

    And as for the size of Apple and Intel. Intel are a huge concern, I don't have relative figures but don't underestimate their power.
     
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  20. Arthur Young macrumors newbie

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    I wonder just how profound are the energy saving effects of montevina and penryn...

    I would love to see more battery life, i care not for speed. I just hope apple will wow me with montevina and penryn, on their rev.2 macbook air. Only problem is, i doubt that will happen because thats like changing the entire logic board (cpu,chipets etc... ) since everything is soldered on.

    I think most people are waiting for the second revision, just incase there is any bugs or flaws that need be changed. Apple can make a lot of profit with a soft second revision, then make a significant 3rd revision so that people will already want to trade up.

    i don't know tho, except that i'm waiting for the next revision of the air, and i hope to see that soon.
     

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