Why I will never go Android again

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by LachlanH, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. LachlanH macrumors regular

    Oct 5, 2011
    Hey guys, just thought I would share my experiences with the Android platform and how I have moved from liking Android to despising it. Maybe this will help anyone on the fence.

    So in 2010 Apple released the iPhone 4 and Android was hitting around version 2.2

    I had never owned a smartphone, just had a basic Nokia dumbphone. The iPhone 4 was all the rage but I was wary of Apple phones as my experience with the Apple brand was limited to my iPad 1. My trainee at work at just gotten himself a Nexus One which I had a play with, and quite liked. After a quick bit of searching I learnt about the HTC Desire. As far as I could tell it was one of HTC's flagship phones. I liked the look of it, so I went and got one on a 2 year contract.

    For the first few weeks I loved it. It was my first smartphone and I saw no reason to want an iPhone 4 which at the time was going through antenna issues, reports were coming out of it breaking easily due to being glass etc, and I felt totally happy with my purchase.

    Before long however I learned that my phone can wifi tether. I searched everywhere in the settings for it but couldn't find it.

    Turns out, my phone was on Android 2.1 Eclair. Wifi Tethering was a feature added in 2.2 Froyo.

    Not to worry, I will just update it I thought.

    Which begins my first major issue with Android.
    Although I bought my phone well after the release of 2.2 Froyo, it still came with 2.1.

    Worse yet, the 2.2 update was not available for my phone. Why? Well because of fragmentation.

    You see, to get an update to my phones software it has to go through several steps. First, Google must release the Android update. Second, HTC must get that update and add in their custom skin (Sense) and make sure it works. Then, they release that update to the phone carriers, who THEN have to modify the update to make sure it includes their carrier bloatware and BS.

    So for an update to be released, it has to goto Google, then to the handset maker, then to the carrier. Which is a BIG problem. Why? Because by the time it gets to the carrier, they are busy selling the latest phone. They don't care at all about spending time on an update to a phone they have already made their money on. It literally means nothing to them.

    As it was, the 2.2 update came for my phone some 5 months after 2.2 was released. And that was the only update my phone has ever received.

    I always hear people moaning about Apple dropping support for older devices. Spare a thought for those on Android.
    The HTC One V has a 1ghz Single core CPU. My Desire is a 1ghz Snapdragon.

    The HTC Desire has slightly MORE RAM than the One V. Yet the One V runs Android 4.03

    Why am I still on 2.2?

    ios6 is available for the iPhone 4 (and 3gs as well I think?)

    You see my issue?

    So to me, who is due for a new phone, I have ordered an iphone 5.
    I'm sure the Galaxy S3 is a great phone. To me thats not the issue. To me the problem is that early next year the S4 will come out and the S3 will be totally forgotten about, never updated and left in the cold.

    This isn't even touching on the whole Android App store.

    Now I have voiced my complaints about Android to some of my Android loving friends. "Just root your phone" they say. One friend has an S2 and says rooting it was the best thing he ever did to it.

    Sure I could root it. But thats so ANTI user friendliness I find it laughable. I should not have to root my phone just to get updates or remove carrier bloatware.

    The sheer number of models of all shapes and sizes running Android is killing it in my opinion. A new update comes out and HTC or Samsung or LG or whatever have to look at their DOZENS of models they have released over the last 12-18 months and decide what ones they will support the update on. It may be that all those models could technically run the update, but theres no way they will bother.

    Which doesn't exactly endear the customer. If you have a phone thats 18 months old and are still receiving updates to the OS, you at least have that feeling that the company cares about you in some way. At least thats how it would be for me.

    Anyway.....my iphone 5 should arrive today. Goodbye Android, and thanks for leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
  2. Europa13 macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2009
    Another relevant point is that the resale value of the SGS3 will most likely be lower than the iPhone 5 next fall.
  3. Gathomblipoob macrumors 601


    Mar 18, 2009
    Which is why I'm glad that Apple has enough clout to tell the carriers not to load their crapware onto the iPhone, and the carriers listen.
  4. donster28 macrumors 68000

    Oct 5, 2006
    Great White North
    First of, this is the longest post I read in a while. ;)

    I've had the Google Nexus 7 with the latest and greatest Jelly Bean. I liked it for a few days, but then I started missing simple things like rubberbanding when the bottom of the page is reached and touching the very top of the webpage to hyper-zoom to the very top. I know these can be fixed with a simple OS update (assuming Apple has not patented these features yet.)

    But as you said, a simple OS update is hardware specific which furthers fragmentation. So yes, once you go iOS, you'll never go back. :)
  5. DDustiNN macrumors 68000


    Jan 27, 2011
    Your experience mimics my own, and it's one of the main reasons I switched to iPhone 4 as soon as it released on Verizon. My Droid Eris was outdated in mere months after it released... Just like the Moto Droid, the HTC Incredible, and the list goes on...

    I just couldn't stand the fact that I had my phone for less than 6 months, and new OS updates were coming to the newer phones, newer apps and games weren't compatible with my phone, lag was becoming an issue...

    Not good for a 2-year contract.

    Apple supports their devices for much longer (and they work better, longer). The iPhone 4 missed out on a couple features, like Siri and iOS 6 Maps full functionality, but it's a 2-year-old phone and still works with nearly every other app available. That's pretty impressive in comparison to my Android experience.

    My iPhone 5 just blows it out if the water though. So... Freaking... Fast.
  6. LSUtigers03 macrumors 68020


    Apr 9, 2008
    Apple puts enough worthless apps on the iPhone so I guess this is a good thing.
  7. DDustiNN macrumors 68000


    Jan 27, 2011
    That's a good point.

    Resale for the iPhone 4 was about $180-200.

    Resale for my sister's Droid Incredible was about $30-50.

    Both phones were released within a couple months of each other.

    For even more perspective, Best Buy trade-in values last week...

    iPhone 4: $165
    Droid Incredible: $38
    LG enV3: $30

    So there's that...
  8. kitkit201 macrumors newbie

    Sep 15, 2004
    Good post OP.. I have the same feelings.

    Fragmentation is a big part of Androids failure unless you get a AOSP device from Google. The "fun" part of it is rooting and installing non-native packages and getting a mashed up version from people's OS leaks and packages.

    Full disclosure: i had the SG3 for about a month and a half after selling my iPhone and used it as my daily phone doing what i do normally. (Had the iphone since the very first one on launch day!)

    Personally, I could not be happier with the iPhone , but wished there was more 'openess' to the amounts of software out there. For example, Swifttype3 is an amazing Keyboard extension for the Androids, does predictive words from your usage and its something that I really miss in the iOS world.
  9. spades1412 macrumors 6502

    Jun 12, 2009
    The carriers don't "listen" to anything. They simply do not have a choice.
  10. Gathomblipoob macrumors 601


    Mar 18, 2009
    Same thing.
  11. pragmatous macrumors 65816

    May 23, 2012
    I'm glad you wrote this because I don't think google themselves realize how bad the fragmentation is.

    Yes you can say that who cares I just want a phone to make calls and never update android. I'm sure that would be a phandroids response right? Well some apps aren't available for all android phones. Some phones require a certain version of android and a certain processor. A friend can show up with his new phone and be like "dude check out this app" you go look for that app and you won't find it. "I can't find it what is it called again" you ask looking like a retard "dude it's <blah blah blah>" .. "I'm typing it in and it doesn't show up .. well whatever" - Not really realizing that it's because they don't have certain specs of software and hardware.

    Well you might say "i don't need apps I just need a phone" - Ok well you're probably the 2% of users like that.

    I can go on for even longer from development nightmares, the stupid 50MB app size limit, to how apps are interpreted (virtualized) on top of a virtual machine. All apps on android run slow - nothing can be done about it. Not to mention the Apps look like crap compared to iOS because of the stupid app size limit.

  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

    Oct 27, 2009
    Apple has left iP4 users without Siri, turn by turn navigation, Flyover, FaceTime over cell, Panorama, AirPlay mirroring, and probably more I can't think of at the moment.

    So I don't understand the OP's gripe.
  13. pragmatous macrumors 65816

    May 23, 2012
    Probably hardware limitations. It's a phone that's 2 years old. Android phones don't get updated ever. When they do that's the only time it will get updated before being forgotten. At least your old iPhone is still relevant.

  14. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    So you are leaving Android for a feature you never got on a particular Android phone, that the iPhone will never get?

    Or do you mean you are willing to pay for it on the iPhone?

    Also why didn't you download a wifi tethering app?

    I can understand wanting to leave android but this just seems like silly reason.
  15. GoDuke1 macrumors member

    Jan 8, 2011
    North Carolina
    I'm in the same boat. I have the HTC Droid Incredible 2. Great phone but not perfect. It's still on 2.3.4 Gingerbread. While Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean has been "approved" for this phone, I'm sure I'll never see the updates. So I will be getting the iPhone 5 in a few months when my upgrade comes up.
  16. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

    Oct 27, 2009

    Siri has been proven to work fine on the 4. Don't see any reason why turn by turn shouldn't work and the same with panorama. Flyover is the only thing I can see the just might be to brutal on the iP4.

    But anyways, Android updates are much less streamlined than iOS. That's the nature of the beast. It's also wise never to purchase expecting updates, and/or do your homework.
  17. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    Android base OS doesn't get updated due to hardware limitations.

    Native apps are separate of the OS though. So maps for example will get updated quite often. Android doesn't need to make an entire new operating system for a new map app....

    Siri was in the App Store and on iPhone 4 before apple bought it then killed it for 4 users. It was a marketing ploy for the 4S not hardware limitations.

    What is the point of updating the phone if you don't get new features? Might as well not update...
  18. Wrathwitch macrumors 65816

    Dec 4, 2009
    Incorrect. I went FROM iOS to Android and the phone is quite sufficient. I am enjoying it. I am sure there are millions of others like me, ergo they are selling in the millions.


    The carriers dictate TO the manufacturers what they want in a phone, those that don't have the bankroll, have NO say in the matter. Apple and Sammy are the only 2 major players that have clout in what they put in their software and what they don't. Apple moreso than Sammy.

    The carriers are the biggest killer in innovation for phones that there is going atm, if you don't believe me, do some research.

    OP, glad you found a phone that works for you. You make it seem like as an Android user we have no choice in what happens to the phone. Perhaps in some ways you are right in that rooting and flashing ROMs etc are not necessarily user friendly, but the developers at Xda etc, support the phones longer than Apple does if the user is willing to take the steps to make it happen.

    I personally believe that learning and doing new things keeps the brain from becoming stale, ergo things like learning how to root and flash ROMS which I haven't yet as I am very content with my S3, will be something I look into if I get the feeling that my phone is being left behind by Sammy and the carriers.

    Peace all.
  19. LachlanH thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 5, 2011

    I got wifi tethering in the 2.2 update. Pay for it on the iPhone? We don't pay extra to tether our phones in Australia.

    I leaving Android not over any one feature, but over the complete lack of support and updates to my phone. It was dead and forgotten about within 6 months.
  20. sixteen12 macrumors regular

    Nov 14, 2011
    Yeah Apple does leave some features out of old phones when updating to the latest OS, but they get 95% of the new features.

    I switched back from Android (lots of devices) because overall I couldn't get it working anywhere near as well as I wanted. Custom ROMS are fun, but only to a point, I eventually got fed up, as each ROM would have unique quirks because its one guy or a small group of guys writing, changing, testing this software, a lot of stuff got missed. Also, I never install a .exe file I find in a forum on the internet, no mater how reliable. Installing a custom ROM, from XDA or otherwise, is essentially installing Bill and Jim Much Improved Windauz fer Mac over your existing OS. Its ludicrous when you think about it, and even more so when you realize how hard it is to recover from a bricked or nearly bricked phone.

    That being said, I miss quite a few things from android. Subsonic, sharing any type of file I want, tasker, changing native apps, etc. But ultimately the iPhone works extremely well for me.

    Ultimately its a phone, if it works well for you, use it. If it doesn't well try something else.
  21. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    Exactly. But the 4 has a nice new shiny 6.0 next to version number. I guess it also got all the bugs with iOS 6 so there's that.
  22. petes67bird macrumors newbie

    Oct 3, 2012
    I agree, I have both apple and android and love both.
  23. LachlanH thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 5, 2011
    Don't get me wrong, I love technology. Build my own computers, flash ROM's, etc all the time. I don't have a problem with my phone, or any Android phone, IF you look at that phone in a bubble. Theres nothing my phone can't do now as such that I really want it to. I am updating because my contract ended and it will cost me almost nothing extra a month to get a new phone. I knew months ago though that I would go iPhone, simply because my phone is the exact same phone it was 19 months ago. No updates have come out for it, no new software features etc.

    Sure ios6 on the iPhone 4 is missing a heap of features. But the fact that it gained any new features at all is something I cannot say about my current phone 2 years into it's life.
  24. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    Didn't know you got free tethering. That's cool.

    I think you falling for the ploy apple uses to not support devices. Apple just doesn't give it features.

    Example, why doesn't the 4 get FaceTime over cellular? It works fine with jailbreak. So why can't it support the more streamline FaceTime?

    Same goes with Siri.

    With Android you need to be wary of device or be prepared to root. I can understand why people don't like this solution. I stick with nexus devices only with Android. Not only will it be supported for 18 months after that there is good developer support to upgrade it further.

    Regardless I think you'll be happy with the iPhone. I'm finding iOS 6 to be a bit bugging so I'm anxiously waiting 6.1 or whatever.
  25. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

    Oct 27, 2009
    So you plan on keeping the iP5 more than 2 years?

    I do agree with you that you'll be getting some UI and functionality upgrades within those 2 years. But it would be the type of functionality that will most likely be exclusive to Apple. Any UI or cross platform function upgrades you get, Android will most likely already have.

    IMO .... iOS and Android upgrades are for differ reasons in general. At least from a user's perspective.

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