iPod Why i will not buy Apple TV

[tarjan]

ntsc is fine for color, in fact the color space is larger than your monitors (all lcd and plasma displays, all dlp, and 99% of the crt displays out there). The issue was OTA reception over analog signals and the equipment sending those ntsc signals around. Once on a digital system (back and front end), the color space and continuity is fine (and similar to pal).

Maybe second gen dlp with LED or lcd with LED will get us a 100% ntsc match.

There ARE professional monitors that have a full color space, but they run into the thousands.

Of course today with the apple tv, you are adding in compression artifacts, issues with 802.11n and a variety of other "stuff" and the solution just doesn't seem that compelling.

 

[72930]

Of course today with the apple tv, you are adding in compression artifacts, issues with 802.11n and a variety of other "stuff" and the solution just doesn't seem that compelling.

What issues?

 

[mrgreen4242]

ntsc is fine for color, in fact the color space is larger than your monitors (all lcd and plasma displays, all dlp, and 99% of the crt displays out there). The issue was OTA reception over analog signals and the equipment sending those ntsc signals around. Once on a digital system (back and front end), the color space and continuity is fine (and similar to pal).

Maybe second gen dlp with LED or lcd with LED will get us a 100% ntsc match.

There ARE professional monitors that have a full color space, but they run into the thousands.

Of course today with the apple tv, you are adding in compression artifacts, issues with 802.11n and a variety of other "stuff" and the solution just doesn't seem that compelling.

Without trying to claim to be an expert (I'm not) I can plainly see the craptastic color of DVDs on my pretty low end HDTV. The color isn't consistent, even from frame to frame. It's not the TV or the player as MPEG4 encoded files look fine. The only thing I can think explains it is the NTSC color system.

 

[Krevnik]

Without trying to claim to be an expert (I'm not) I can plainly see the craptastic color of DVDs on my pretty low end HDTV. The color isn't consistent, even from frame to frame. It's not the TV or the player as MPEG4 encoded files look fine. The only thing I can think explains it is the NTSC color system.

Realize that MPEG2 is hardly a great video codec, and that it uses the same colorspace as MPEG4. I have seen absolutely great DVD encodes, some decent ones, and ones that should have been sent back to do again. It is very likely the codec and/or source. (And some low-end DVD players have horrible MPEG2 decoders to boot)

I have a couple TV shows I have encoded into MPEG-4 (using XviD) and H.264 (using x264) from DVD, and they absolutely destroy the quality of iTMS H.264 TV episodes in color and detail... granted they are about 30% larger. So the work done making the encode can have a rather noticable impact on the final result.