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Why is being "gay" considered a political/social issue on these forums?

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SandboxGeneral said:
Sexual orientation is a social issue for society in general, not just on these forums. The fact that your post included this as part of it dictated that the more appropriate forum would be PRSI as that is what the primary part of the post was about. There is nothing bad, or wrong about having a thread in the PRSI forum as opposed to another one.

The rules of the forum were applied properly and the thread moved. The moderation team has no position on the word 'gay' as it relates to social issues.

If Tim Cook were black and that led to posts that focused on his race we'd move that to PRSI too.

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So you are saying:
Being gay is PRSI material even if the content really had nothing to do about any gay discrimination issue. But being straight is not a PRSI issue.
ok gotcha.

Being straight is a sexual orientation too.

Also would a top white man list be PRSI material? Probably not, but you said a top black men list would be PRSI material.

I just believe in equality for all. Something that's not happening here.
 
TPadden said:
Agreed; any list of Top 50 Straight celebrities (excluding gays) discussion should be moved to PRSi ........ it isn't like the topic is banished. :cool:
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Funny comment. But that is the voice of reason. I actually agree with you. But will that happen is the question.
 
Whatever rationale the mods have for moving the post to PSRI only furthers a discrimination towards non-straight people. It's not cool.

maflynn said:
How is a thread's relocation considered discrimination? The moderation team, based on the topic, moved the thread, as it was our opinion that its more of a Social Issue thread and thus belongs in the PRSI.

Just to be on the same page here's the webster definition


In no way is a thread's relocation is considered treating a person unfairly or differently because we applied our rules/guidelines uniformly without regard to a person's sexual orientation, religion, color or ethnicity.
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Discrimination, as in ostracizing someone who is gay; making them feel like they are a different sort of person. Not normal.

SandboxGeneral said:
Sexual orientation is a social issue for society in general, not just on these forums. The fact that your post included this as part of it dictated that the more appropriate forum would be PRSI as that is what the primary part of the post was about. There is nothing bad, or wrong about having a thread in the PRSI forum as opposed to another one.

The rules of the forum were applied properly and the thread moved. The moderation team has no position on the word 'gay' as it relates to social ssues.

If Tim Cook were black and that led to posts that focused on his race we'd move that to PRSI too.

-The Moderator Team
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The current front page article is about a woman. Being a woman in power is also very much a social issue. Why hasn't that article been moved to PSRI?
 
thejadedmonkey said:
The current front page article is about a woman. Being a woman in power is also very much a social issue. Why hasn't that article been moved to PSRI?
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The front page article is about a *person* who happens to be a woman. There is no attention drawn in either the article title or the content that she happens to be a woman. On the other hand the OP's article was not about a person or persons who happened to be gay, it was a list of specifically gay people, in a politically motivated article, in a magazine that is strongly political at its core.

Given my experience on these forums over the years, I expect that if someone posted a list of the top n (black/white/gay/straight/whatever) people, it would end up in PRSI.

Personally, I cannot believe that the OP can post an article entitled "Why is gay considered a political social issue" with a straight face.

A.
 
Alrescha said:
Personally, I cannot believe that the OP can post an article entitled "Why is gay considered a political social issue" with a straight face.
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Nonsense. Its 2014. Time the world accepted that some people are gay. Its the continued drawing attention to it as though it is a bad/different thing that makes it a political/social issue.

I'm proud to be living in a country that now treats gay people as true equals. I'd alo be proud to be part of a forum that does exactly the same.
 
I have no problem with gays. I even have a few gay friends. What I like about them is they don't push the gay agenda around me, or any of their straight friends. We are all human beings and all deserve the same rights. That said, I'm tired of the radical gays pushing their agenda on people like me who don't care to hear about every little thing they think is wrong with the society we live in. I say live your own life the way you want, no matter what you're into as long as you're not hurting anyone. BTW, my gay friends are in their late 50's, early 60's. and not one of them ever complained they were being discriminated against. I will say, none of them act like girls like some do. They just happen to be gay. Who the f cares. Go on with your lives, please!

BTW, I'm a conservative who isn't the typical idiot you liberals think..
 
I'll give my opinion fwiw.

The main page article about a woman hired by Apple is a story about an Apple related interest. It doesn't matter that she is a woman. The point of the article is about the corporate structure. It is NOT about her being a woman. Or the differences between women and men. It's about a tangible job. She happens to be a woman.

I've been around here since before 2005 and I can tell you a conversation about a person being gay is a social commentary not a corporate commentary because there are always people that discuss the social topic of being gay. Pro or against. It doesn't matter it is still a conversation about an ideal not a corporate position.

Mods put articles they know are going to be considered a social discussion in the PRSI where it belongs.
 
Mr. McMac said:
I have no problem with gays. I even have a few gay friends.
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Hey look, the old "I even have a few [insert minority] friends" line. That usually precedes...

What I like about them is they don't push the gay agenda around me, or any of their straight friends. We are all human beings and all deserve the same rights. That said, I'm tired of the radical gays pushing their agenda on people like me who don't care to hear about every little thing they think is wrong with the society we live in. I say live your own life the way you want, no matter what you're into as long as you're not hurting anyone. BTW, my gay friends are in their late 50's, early 60's. and not one of them ever complained they were being discriminated against. I will say, none of them act like girls like some do. They just happen to be gay. Who the f cares. Go on with your lives, please!

BTW, I'm a conservative who isn't the typical idiot you liberals think..
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....yep, something like that. What "agenda" has been pushed on you? Your gay friends probably haven't said anything about facing past discrimination because they correctly imagine you're not sympathetic. If they are in their 50's now and were out at a young age, they certainly experienced it.

Gays and lesbians have made advances in recent years, but that's only because people decided to speak up for themselves and others. Rights that heterosexual folks often take for granted--say, to marry the person of your choosing, the ability to visit your spouse in the hospital, adopt a child, inherit property from your spouse, or serve in the military--are just now being secured for gays. In most places, it is still legal to discriminate against homosexuals in employment, housing, provision of services, etc.

It's real easy to say "I don't want to hear about it" when your life is not impacted whatsoever. Except, you know, that you find it annoying. My apologies, that must be really rough. :rolleyes:
 
trouble747 said:
Hey look, the old "I even have a few [insert minority] friends" line. That usually precedes...



....yep, something like that. What "agenda" has been pushed on you? Your gay friends probably haven't said anything about facing past discrimination because they correctly imagine you're not sympathetic. If they are in their 50's now and were out at a young age, they certainly experienced it.

Gays and lesbians have made advances in recent years, but that's only because people decided to speak up for themselves and others. Rights that heterosexual folks often take for granted--say, to marry the person of your choosing, the ability to visit your spouse in the hospital, adopt a child, inherit property from your spouse, or serve in the military--are just now being secured for gays. In most places, it is still legal to discriminate against homosexuals in employment, housing, provision of services, etc.

It's real easy to say "I don't want to hear about it" when your life is not impacted whatsoever. Except, you know, that you find it annoying. My apologies, that must be really rough. :rolleyes:
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It is posts like this and the one it quotes that prove that this sort of discussion belongs in PRSI.
 
Alrescha said:
In your own words: it is a political/social issue. As such it belongs in PRSI (which, thank the gods, I can filter out of my view of the forums).

A.
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My point is that it shouldn't be. It shouldn't matter what sexuality a person is.
 
roadbloc said:
My point is that it shouldn't be. It shouldn't matter what sexuality a person is.
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It doesn't matter what sexuality a person is.

When people start discussing the topic of "being gay" it quickly becomes a social topic not a computer/company/hardware topic.

The reality is being gay is still considered a topic of discussion whether you agree with it or not. Inevitably any article that has the word "gay" in it quickly becomes a point of argument and very political/social/religious.

That's why these topics go in the PRSI discussion.
 
roadbloc said:
My point is that it shouldn't be. It shouldn't matter what sexuality a person is.
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Well that is a lovely thought. Drop me a line in 20 years and let me know how we are doing, ok?

In the meantime, GLBT rights is one of the most significant social/political/moral issue of our age; a lot of very dedicated people worked hard to *make that happen*. And for someone to try to claim that it *isn't* one is enough to drive a person to drink (were that not a fait accompli).

The OP is simply wrong. The poor comparisons, baseless assumptions, slimy insinuations, and accusations of discrimination make me angry, as they actively diminish the efforts of those hard-working people. If I woke up tomorrow with the realization that I was the OP, I would apologize to the moderators for drunken posting and beg them to delete this entire thread to save me from the embarrassment of being responsible for it.

A.

ps: As to your comment re: "I'm proud to be living in a country that now treats gay people as true equals", I suggest you Google "UK gay-bashing" for some enlightening news.
 
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Alrescha said:
ps: As to your comment re: "I'm proud to be living in a country that now treats gay people as true equals", I suggest you Google "UK gay-bashing" for some enlightening news.
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I never said it doesn't happen. It does. Most people in my area are racist, homophobic and generally idiotic on such things because they don't know better. They haven't had the education.

But the country as a whole is getting better. We have allowed gay marriage and things are slowly improving. All I am suggesting is that the forum attempts to do too and not just slap any old thread into PRSI because it has a a bit of a discussion about gay relationships in it. Because if they are doing, they should be rightfully putting discussions about any sort of relationship in PRSI. After all, being in a relationship is a social issue, is it not? Why does being gay make it any different?
 
When I see the use of gay, I think the article is related to the sexual orientation. I would think the same if the article title used straight. Or race, gender and religion.

As soon as the word gay is typed, it is bringing sexual orientation into the topic. Just like singling out someone's gender - the first female CEO of Apple discussion may end up in PRSI.
 
I think it's a sad reflection of the state of mankind that we still need to have this discussion.

While yes, it still is a social issue to many, it shouldn't be. That's perhaps what's most appalling -- orientation should be about as interesting and commentable as hair color, skin color, eye color, or sex, which as far as I'm aware, isn't filtered to PRSI for being a social issue, despite racists and sexists still disagreeing about their values and importance.

At what point does the moderation staff deem it not to be a social issue, but one of bigots? When legal precedence irrefutably decries discrimination based on orientation, much like race? There will always be people with dissenting social opinions, just like there are still racists. Should all articles referencing someone's race or gender as noteworthy be moved to PRSI then, since there are still social disagreements by a few?
 
darkplanets said:
I think it's a sad reflection of the state of mankind that we still need to have this discussion.

While yes, it still is a social issue to many, it shouldn't be......
At what point does the moderation staff deem it not to be a social issue, but one of bigots?
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I really have a hard time understanding your point. If it weren't still a social issue for gays, there would have been no reason for an article listing 50 top gay celebs (or it's discussion in a forum primarily dedicated to technology)....... are you saying the article is bigoted in the first place? :confused:
 
If it wasn't a social issue (the S in the PRSI), then the article wouldn't have went out of it's way to say 50 most powerful gay individuals or whatever now would it?

The fact that they added that specification makes it social.....as it's intent

Meanwhile, I am befuddled why you CARE about where a thread resides on the forums. It is not as if it changes anything. Or do you just want your posts to count towards your total? Surely it can't be as silly as that....:cool:
 
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