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Why is everyone talking about cloud storage as an alternative? With the iPhone, that's only true for music. Everything else, apps and photos, is stored physically. Cloud storage is not an option for those two.

Imo, the small storage capacity hampers the UX more than iOS 6/7 or Apple Maps ever did. If Apple wants to make the 'best products', you can't ship em with 16 GB, period.
 
Why is everyone talking about cloud storage as an alternative? With the iPhone, that's only true for music. Everything else, apps and photos, is stored physically. Cloud storage is not an option for those two.



Imo, the small storage capacity hampers the UX more than iOS 6/7 or Apple Maps ever did. If Apple wants to make the 'best products', you can't ship em with 16 GB, period.


And thats why there are options for those that need larger storage. It's not a one size fits all situation. I've used a 16gb iphone without issues.
 
Two main reasons:

- 16GB is more than enough for the vast majority of people. I would take a stab in the dark and guess that 85% of iPhones out there are the 16GB.

- Having the $100 upgrades allows Apple to offset a slightly lower profit margin (and thus, a cheaper price) of the base model.
 
Why is everyone talking about cloud storage as an alternative? With the iPhone, that's only true for music. Everything else, apps and photos, is stored physically. Cloud storage is not an option for those two.

Imo, the small storage capacity hampers the UX more than iOS 6/7 or Apple Maps ever did. If Apple wants to make the 'best products', you can't ship em with 16 GB, period.
Videos are also stored in the cloud and photos.
 
Apple also enjoys having 3 different price points. When 128GB chips become possible within their price range, expect them to drop the 16GB.

they have 4 price points for the ipad air and which of course doubles with the cellular addition.

they have only 2 price points for the latest version of the ipod.

as far as 16 gig being enough for most people. why not turn it around and say the 32 gig being sold at the 16 gig price point is enough margin for apple?

maybe most people are too cautious with the space that they never end up filling it.
 
Videos are also stored in the cloud and photos.
Yes, but not exclusively. *Every* photo is stored physically and the ones younger than 30 days in the cloud as well.

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And thats why there are options for those that need larger storage. It's not a one size fits all situation. I've used a 16gb iphone without issues.
Yeah well, I think releasing a €699 phone with 16 GB is subpar. For that price, it's unacceptable.

Sure, you're free to upgrade at the cost of €100, but a premium phone like the iPhone shouldn't require 'upgrades'.
 
There is no reason for them to. Most people who are tech savvy (as in this forum) will use up the space easily. Others, like my mother or family or other non-tech friends, generally have over 7GBs free. I'd say there is a small % of people who actually need 32GB.
 
Yes, but not exclusively. *Every* photo is stored physically and the ones younger than 30 days in the cloud as well.



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Yeah well, I think releasing a €699 phone with 16 GB is subpar. For that price, it's unacceptable.



Sure, you're free to upgrade at the cost of €100, but a premium phone like the iPhone shouldn't require 'upgrades'.


Premium is why it's so expensive. I agree it's expensive, but like I said a lot of people don't mind 16gb. My brother has no complaints about his 16gb iphone.
 
It's 16 GB because the industry as a whole simply hasn't been able to ramp up production higher densities at the mind numbing scale that apple needs it. There are higher densities readily available, but none of the fabs (which are billion dollar undertakings) have been retooled at scale to produce them.

Keep in mind Apple dropped insane amounts of money to lock down the production they have years ago, as they are arguably the biggest purchaser in the world.

Expect that to change this year, the industry has been tooling away for quite some time now ;)
 
Premium is why it's so expensive. I agree it's expensive, but like I said a lot of people don't mind 16gb. My brother has no complaints about his 16gb iphone.
A lot of people have no complaints about their crappy camera with ultrawhite flash. A lot of people have no compaints about their phones plastic bodies. A lot of people don't mind the input latency on Android phones. A lot of people don't mind the weight of their phone.

Even though lots of people don't care about the things above, the iPhone has 'fixed' all these issues. That's the whole idea of the iPhone: it fixes problems you didn't even know could be there. It just works. It just works beatifully. It just feels right. Those are all the results of Apple's designers/developers understanding how consumers interact with their devices better than the consumers themselves.

Bottom line short: Apple should pro-actively prevent frustrations because of the premium price tag. Shipping a phone with merely 16 GB does not do that.

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There is no reason for them to. Most people who are tech savvy (as in this forum) will use up the space easily. Others, like my mother or family or other non-tech friends, generally have over 7GBs free. I'd say there is a small % of people who actually need 32GB.
I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need Touch ID. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need true tone flash. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a 64-bit SOC. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a larger f/2.2 aperture.

Yet still Apple shipped a phone with all of the above.
 
A lot of people have no complaints about their crappy camera with ultrawhite flash. A lot of people have no compaints about their phones plastic bodies. A lot of people don't mind the input latency on Android phones. A lot of people don't mind the weight of their phone.

Even though lots of people don't care about the things above, the iPhone has 'fixed' all these issues. That's the whole idea of the iPhone: it fixes problems you didn't even know could be there. It just works. It just works beatifully. It just feels right. Those are all the results of Apple's designers/developers understanding how consumers interact with their devices better than the consumers themselves.

Bottom line short: Apple should pro-actively prevent frustrations because of the premium price tag. Shipping a phone with merely 16 GB does not do that.

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I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need Touch ID. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need true tone flash. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a 64-bit SOC. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a larger f/2.2 aperture.

Yet still Apple shipped a phone with all of the above.


Good to see that you're sure about so many things.
 
A lot of people have no complaints about their crappy camera with ultrawhite flash. A lot of people have no compaints about their phones plastic bodies. A lot of people don't mind the input latency on Android phones. A lot of people don't mind the weight of their phone.

Even though lots of people don't care about the things above, the iPhone has 'fixed' all these issues. That's the whole idea of the iPhone: it fixes problems you didn't even know could be there. It just works. It just works beatifully. It just feels right. Those are all the results of Apple's designers/developers understanding how consumers interact with their devices better than the consumers themselves.

Bottom line short: Apple should pro-actively prevent frustrations because of the premium price tag. Shipping a phone with merely 16 GB does not do that.

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I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need Touch ID. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need true tone flash. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a 64-bit SOC. I'm sure there is a small % of people who actually need a larger f/2.2 aperture.

Yet still Apple shipped a phone with all of the above.

So you want apple to satisfy you personally. Won't work. If 16 is not enough buy 32. What's so hard about that.
 
So you want apple to satisfy you personally. Won't work. If 16 is not enough buy 32. What's so hard about that.
Did you read my post? I think I made my point clear.

Nothing hard about upgrading, just think a premium phone with only 16 GB is unacceptable for €699 ($950). Just as I think it would be unacceptable to ship a $950 phone with a bad screen or a bad camera. Would you accept an iPhone 5S with an iPhone 4 camera that you can 'upgrade' for $100 extra? No, even the cheapest model should be good on all aspects.
 
Did you read my post? I think I made my point clear.

Nothing hard about upgrading, just think a premium phone with only 16 GB is unacceptable for €699 ($950). Just as I think it would be unacceptable to ship a $950 phone with a bad screen or a bad camera. Would you accept an iPhone 5S with an iPhone 4 camera that you can 'upgrade' for $100 extra? No, even the cheapest model should be good on all aspects.


It's unacceptable to you. Ok. I get that. Don't buy it.
 
So you want apple to satisfy you personally. Won't work. If 16 is not enough buy 32. What's so hard about that.

Totally agree. And I like the fact that I have the choice to buy more internal storage if I want. I never had that choice with samsung, it wasn't easy to get more that 16GB.
 
I have the 16gb Ipod Touch 5th Gen, and I find it's more than enough for me now, I stream all my music and video, just need room for apps and 16gb is more than enough, I've always bought 64 gb phones, but my next one will be 16.
 
16GB makes massive profits for Apple, it'll be their standard size for quite some time.
 
The OP is really saying that the phone is too expensive, using the guise of inadequate storage
 
I wish they'd just add the ability to house an SDXC card. I'm definitely getting the largest capacity iPhone available when I can upgrade because I simply hate juggling files and always having to delete stuff just to give both apps and everyday functions "breathing room" when my music library is just over 10Gb (of the 130Gb+ I have in iTunes).
 
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I wish they'd just add the ability to house an SDXC card. I'm definitely getting the largest capacity iPhone available when I can upgrade because I simply hate juggling files and always having to delete stuff just to give both apps and everyday function "breathing room" when my music library is just over 10Gb (of the 130Gb+ I have in iTunes).


SD car is never going to happen. Don't even bother just wishing.
 
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