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If they really update to A19Pro with 12GB Ram next year it's game over.
That will make the Neo much better for sure but it wont be game over. This is Apple we are talking about, they want you to spend more money through upselling, so they will probably make the MBA (now let off the budget leash) and MBP more desirable in some form or another (OLED, Touchscreen etc).
 
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That's forum culture in general. People, and I have been guilty of this, spew complaints more so now then when I was posting in late 90s. I also find forums less helpful than before. Such is life.
Yep,"discussion" forums are best looked at as entertainment - bar talk, not consultancy. There may be opinions you agree or disagree with, but you shouldn't do anything except take the ones you find interesting on board, but ultimately rely on your own judgement and direct sources of information.

People tend to mix up fact and option on forums, and people often confidently state things that are simply untrue on forums. There's no accountability on a forum.

A forum post should never be a person's sole basis for making a purchasing decision.

That said, the MR forum is huge, and I'd make a distinction between "opinion "topics / threads and technical threads. Where forums are still very useful is when you are looking for a solution to a very specific technical problem, whether hardware or software. Those type of forums, discussions and threads are very different, and there isn't the same amount of foodfighting - the fix either works or it doesn't.
 
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Yep,"discussion" forums are best looked at as entertainment - bar talk, not consultancy. There may be opinions you agree or disagree with, but you shouldn't do anything except take the ones you find interesting on board, but ultimately rely on your own judgement and direct sources of information.

People tend to mix up fact and option on forums, and people often confidently state things that are simply untrue on forums. There's no accountability on a forum.

A forum post should never be a person's sole basis for making a purchasing decision.

That said, the MR forum is huge, and I'd make a distinction between "opinion "topics / thread sand technical threads. Where forums are still very useful is when you are looking for a solution to a very specify technical problem, whether hardware or software. Those type of forums, discussions and threads are very different, and there isn't the same amount of foodfighting - the fix either works or it doesn't.
Well said!

For entertainment purposes only.
 
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The demands of Office-type tasks (text editing, spreadsheets, etc.) topped out many years ago, so folks doing only those trivial computing tasks can save money buying used low-RAM hardware, or buying new lowest-end like MBN if they can tolerate lesser displays, etc.
^^^ this.

Nowadays all my apps (Adobe, Office 365, Google, SQL) are all cloud based which means no more need to install programs that hog up RAM in the past.
Even Windows machines we no longer need to equip them with 64GB of RAM - they can run fine with 16GB.

8GB Unified memory handles even demanding Pro Apps very well on my M1 8GB, M2 8GB, and now my Neo 8GB.
 
That makes sense. I don't fell threatened but it does make me question the purchase of my MBA M4 for my needs. It's super overkill. I just wanted external drive support. I was just fine power wise on an iPad mini 6.
Sorry to break it to you but iPad has pretty good external drive support and even network drive support. You can even format drives from the Files app
 
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^^^ this.

Nowadays all my apps (Adobe, Office 365, Google, SQL) are all cloud based which means no more need to install programs that hog up RAM in the past.
Even Windows machines we no longer need to equip them with 64GB of RAM - they can run fine with 16GB.

8GB Unified memory handles even demanding Pro Apps very well on my M1 8GB, M2 8GB, and now my Neo 8GB.

Not everyone uses cloud-based apps or stores their files in the cloud.

Also, do you work with every Pro app in a professional manner that you determine 8GB RAM is sufficient?
 
Except there is no direct comparison between Apple Silicon and Intel. People in this price range aren’t comparing GeekBench scores, which are mostly based on contrived scenarios.
Apple couldn't do an Intel MacBook in this price range. The overheads of paying for an OS and paying for the SoC simply don't exist here for Apple but do for others. Craptop companies generally only earn a few bucks profit from their plastic monstrosities. iPhone economies of scale allow Apple to compete with plastic by delivering an unbelievably cheap, quality product, which just happens to be superfast.
 
Yep,"discussion" forums are best looked at as entertainment - bar talk, not consultancy. There may be opinions you agree or disagree with, but you shouldn't do anything except take the ones you find interesting on board, but ultimately rely on your own judgement and direct sources of information.

People tend to mix up fact and option on forums, and people often confidently state things that are simply untrue on forums. There's no accountability on a forum.

A forum post should never be a person's sole basis for making a purchasing decision.

That said, the MR forum is huge, and I'd make a distinction between "opinion "topics / threads and technical threads. Where forums are still very useful is when you are looking for a solution to a very specific technical problem, whether hardware or software. Those type of forums, discussions and threads are very different, and there isn't the same amount of foodfighting - the fix either works or it doesn't.
True some of the smaller sections have been helpful.

I still remember using the DSM forums in the lates 90s where I learned to work on my car and build a turbo out of my garage and install it!
 
Internal means internal use only, which assumes confidential
The company I worked for had many internal documents. Work schedules, parking rules, staff procedures, machine procedures, server restart procedures, etc. None were confidential. Assume nothing about which you do not know.
 
The company I worked for had many internal documents. Work schedules, parking rules, staff procedures, machine procedures, server restart procedures, etc. None were confidential. Assume nothing about which you do not know.
I’m sure Apple would be thrilled with employees sharing the documents you mention, a nice schedule for stalking employees. Nice goal shifting, a document detailing parking rules will prove whether Neo chips are leftovers. 🙄
 
I agree that phones are more powerful than what most people need, which is why it seems a bit odd not putting the A19 Pro in the Neo as it is less powerful than some Apple phones. The 12GB an A19 Pro would give would be better (another point I agree on).

The Neo is a good device as it is, but going down to the latest A series chip rather than previous generation would have made an even stronger case for buying one.
Except the A19 Pro with 12GB RAM likely would a) have placed pressure on the margins for a $599 Mac and b) been too close to the Air as to risk cannibalization.
 
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Not everyone uses cloud-based apps or stores their files in the cloud.

Also, do you work with every Pro app in a professional manner that you determine 8GB RAM is sufficient?
Where I work (14,000 students & 1200 staff) all use cloud based apps and stores everything into the cloud.

Thus the Neo is perfect for this setting.

And I only use FCP normally on my Mac Studio Max but tried it on the Neo and it handled it just fine with 8GB unified memory.
 
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I was seriously thinking about getting a MacBook Neo to venture into the world of Apple Silicon, in fact was gonna go to the Apple Store with my boyfriend Monday after he got off work when I found my m1 MacBook Air 8gb/256 Rose Gold in the local pawn shop in like new condition for $175.00 so decided to get that instead. I am very impressed with this m1 MacBook Air, although the MacBook Neo would have served my needs just fine, my only disappointment in the MacBook Neo is it does not have a back lit keyboard which makes it very easy to find the letters to type laying in bed.
 
I was seriously thinking about getting a MacBook Neo to venture into the world of Apple Silicon, in fact was gonna go to the Apple Store with my boyfriend Monday after he got off work when I found my m1 MacBook Air 8gb/256 Rose Gold in the local pawn shop in like new condition for $175.00 so decided to get that instead. I am very impressed with this m1 MacBook Air, although the MacBook Neo would have served my needs just fine, my only disappointment in the MacBook Neo is it does not have a back lit keyboard which makes it very easy to find the letters to type laying in bed.
Absolute bargain, enjoy 🙂

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Where I work (14,000 students & 1200 staff) all use cloud based apps and stores everything into the cloud.

Thus the Neo is perfect for this setting.

And I only use FCP normally on my Mac Studio Max but tried it on the Neo and it handled it just fine with 8GB unified memory.

For people who use a cloud service, a small storage should be enough... As for FCP, for light use and hobbyists the MBN should be fine, but for those who use it professionally 8GB is not enough, that's why you mostly use your Mac Studio.
 
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For people who use a cloud service, a small storage should be enough... As for FCP, for light use and hobbyists the MBN should be fine, but for those who use it professionally 8GB is not enough, that's why you mostly use your Mac Studio.
Then why are you looking at the Neo not the Air or an MBP? My systems always turned coin for me as that was the whole point of in investing in them...

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Then why are you looking at the Neo not the Air or an MBP? My systems always turned coin for me as that was the whole point of in investing in them...

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Because I don't need the extra power and features they have that add to their price. 🤷‍♂️

and the overall size of the MAN is more appealing to my needs…
 
Because I don't need the extra power and features they have that add to their price. 🤷‍♂️

and the overall size of the MAN is more appealing to my needs…
Yet you want Neo with A20 with 16GB which will significantly increase the price for others... Think about it, if you don't invest in yourself, nobody else will. Get an Air and move on and hopefully profit.

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Yet you want Neo with A20 with 16GB which will significantly increase the price for others... Think about it, if you don't invest in yourself, nobody else will. Get an Air and move on and hopefully profit.

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The day they offer a smaller MBA or MBN with at least 16GB RAM and 1TB storage I will "move on".
 
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