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Ummm you forgot the most annoying and time consuming part, converting the file to mp4.

And to be frank the real reason is to protect their ecosystem. It really annoys ,y to have to convert my files to mp4, thus having unnecessary duplication cause I want to use them on the iPad. And no I do not want to store my master files as mp4.

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Unless you have an uber system, damn time consuming

Video playback and accessibility is a win to android
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What is easier then dragging a movie file into a video folder?!?!? Sorry but the apple method of adding a video file and removing it by having to use iTunes is poor useability. Let's just say that if apple were not making $$$ from videos iTunes, it would be much much simpler

You don't have to convert the file as there are tons of video players at the app store that will play just about any format.
Especially AVI and MKV files.
You just have to be willing to ask or take a look.
Tip: iTunes has a search box just type in what you are looking for.
 
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Actual noobs don't even ask those questions. You are talking about computer geeks that haven't used an iPad before. Not the same thing.

you might be surprised. a lot of people treat the ipad like a flash drive and try to move things onto it. they want to do simple things like open a file in microsoft word, but can find neither the app, nor the file on their drive. if they are coming from android, where the files are easily accessible, then it is even more disconcerting.

i don't know if the op is doing anything illegal. maybe he just has a video of his kid's soccer game and he wants to show it to grandma on the ipad. the point is that it can be a little confusing, but if we walk people through it, i think they'll find their way to a solution. i appreciate the advice some of the posters to this thread have given.
 
Um, have you not noticed the search box that is at the top of the screen. Kinda makes a dedicated search button pointless doesn't it?

Right, but it's not always there. Sometimes I have to press one of the subjects below before it comes up again.
 
Aren't you being a little nit-picky about container vs. format. Even if one concedes that M4V is superior, there is a mountain of material out there in other "format(s)." Should people just forgo seeing it?

This is similar to the arguments over Flash. Of course I don't need Flash unless I want to watch video streams from overseas sites, my local traffic cams (government is always slow to adapt) and so on. I think a lot of the problem still comes down to Apple wanting everyone to fit their mold. Eventually AVI and Flash may die out but what about now?

Flash is a proprietary Adobe format not an ISO standard. Apple simply chose to use industry standards.
 
Right, but it's not always there. Sometimes I have to press one of the subjects below before it comes up again.

The only sections it isn't in is purchased and updates. So instead if having to go to one tab to do a search you can click on 4 of 6 of them and get the search field. There is a search field in the purchased section but it will only search apps that you have already purchased. So actually there are 5 of them if you want to get technical.
 
Wirelessly posted

Step 1: download a video app that can play many formats natively without converting. There are free apps

Step 2: drag and drop your video files into iTunes file sharing for that app

Step 3: enjoy your movie on the iPad.

Not difficult at all, not difficult.
 
This is a fun thread. I'm back again. I'll respond with short answers first and then long answers

@pat park
Yes, exactly! Silly is exactly how I would describe it. Even if I was an employee, I would still recommend owning an actual iTunes copy because you can now have access on iPads, iPods, Macs, Windows boxes (with iTunes installed), Apple TV, and iPhones. Not only this but if you ever have a corrupted copy, you can just redownload the content which is going to be higher quality than ripped content. Are you closing yourself off to the same system/ecosystem? Yes. But then again, you would have done it if you bought Blu-rays or DVDs or VHS cassettes. iTunes is specifically designed to play and manage content specifically for iDevices. It's just that simple. After investing in iTunes, you can also connect Android, Windows Phone, or most other products.

@balamw
I agree with the media statements. If people expect drag and drop, iTunes is perfect. If people expect to use other formats that aren't native to the systems, they should expect to understand the formats in order to convert them. The major issue with compatibility with Apple systems is due to copyright restrictions and legally binding anti-piracy standards. Apple seeks to make their systems piracy resistant and that's the true nature of this thread. "How do I pirate content for my iPad?" is the question here. It's not that Apple products are complicated or frustrating because most users in the world would really disagree with that statement.

@Sphinx99
There are 2 reasons why people can't use iTunes. The first is that they are unwilling to learn the system. For a completely novice user, it's pretty simple. Purchase songs on iTunes, create your playlists, sync to your device. It's 3 steps. For videos and TV shows, it's the same thing. Purchase videos on iTunes, sync to device. For books and apps, it's the same thing. Purchase apps and books on iTunes, sync to device. It's nothing tough to understand but people resist it like the plague because they just don't see it that way. I used to be one of those people. I used to think it was complicated because I managed an entire hierarchical file structure for my MP3s and FLACs. I did the same with video content such as MKVs, MP4s, M4Vs, AVIs, RMVBs, etc... What iTunes does is suppose that you are a complete slob. They ask you to just throw everything in that is compatible. That means MP3s, M4Vs, and MP4s can just be drag and dropped in. Everything else, iTunes views as incompatible because they will either affect battery life, performance, or have other potential problems with devices. This means you need to convert and then dump into iTunes. If you're having problems with these steps, Apple provides training at the Apple stores so you can understand how things work on Apple systems.

The 2nd reason why people can't use iTunes is due to their content. If you're working off of file formats that you originally had and some of it is protected like some CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays (not sure about Blu-ray encryption now), you'll need to jettison that content and repurchase it in iTunes or convert fresh copies that aren't encrypted (most likely pirated). Anyone coming from this structure will hit a brick wall with iTunes. Most of these people use Windows and don't understand piracy, what they are downloading online, codecs/containers and how they are used, and they are also the people who order seafood in steakhouses in the middle of a continent. There's a disconnect between the user and the system because of the kind of content the user owns. If you are savvy enough to do the conversions and work past your existing media, you'll find a lot of value in the Apple ecosystem. If you can't work past this, you should not be buying ANY Apple device.

Regarding the Canon DSLR, I use a few myself and I've had no problems using iMovie on the iPad with the Camera Connector. It helps my workflow because I can start calculating how much footage I have and what is usable almost immediately after I take the footage. That is simply amazing from a photographer/videographer's viewpoint. The point is, MOVs that are going to go to the MBP, iMac, or MP can have the video imported from the iPad or you can import the movie directly on any of those and then start your laptop or desktop workflow. The MOVs are not natively supposed to sync via iTunes because anything you create on a laptop or desktop should be producing a finished MP4 before enjoying it on the iPad via videos. There's a separation between content creation and content consumption so then you're not mixing up your preliminary cuts with finished and complete videos. While a lot of Apple employees won't be able to tell you that, if you made an appointment with an Apple specialist or an Apple creative, they would be able to explain the iPad video workflow and how you can best function with it. A normal Apple store leader, most likely won't know what you're asking about because there are a lot of product lines and services.

Lastly, iTunes on Windows is a sore point for me because it's how I got started with Apple products. I used to be a cracker/genius or whatever you would call them. I used to hate it but now I can't live without it. There's a good reason why iTunes is inferior on Windows and why most of the calls into Applecare concentrate on Windows users. I guess the best place to start is a small history lesson. Back in January of 2001, Apple released iTunes. This was only available to macs back then so it had no bearing on my music usage. The Windows version was first available back in 2003 because of pressure from other Apple execs. They saw that it would make money due to iPods they would sell and they decided to do it. The cost to making iTunes Windows compatible was some of the back-end functionality that consumers would almost never see unless there were problems. iTunes for Windows originally had problem access the services in Windows as well as accessing the ports necessary for iPods to synchronize with iTunes. Digital signing issues, windows registry corruption issues, quicktime implementation in windows, and the isolation of it's file management system were some of the biggest problems that the Windows version faced. My first thought when I used iTunes was "Why is this thing taking up so much space?" This progressed to "Why is iTunes duplicating my music and content?" This then progressed to "Why can't I have folders?" Connectivity problems to iDevices and Windows Vista made me convert to Macs. I then understood why iTunes works the way it does. It assumes I'm a slob and can't organize music myself. As time progressed, this proved true and I realized that I'm expending a lot of effort for something that should be easy. I then figured out that I can just mass dump everything into iTunes and it would sort it all out for me with custom playlists, smart playlist which will pull out a specific artist, style, or album or combination of those. Movie files, when formatted correctly played more smoothly than most other content out there at less processor cycles. I then started seeing that iTunes could be a hub for all of this content and I didn't have to keep up a good hierarchy of folders because it did everything for me in one database that was instantly searchable. Overall, the basics work better on a Mac because iTunes was created for Mac originally.
 
If you weren't even aware that iTunes was a requirement of an iPad, then yes you're correct in saying you should have gotten an Android.

Seems right up your alley.
 
If you weren't even aware that iTunes was a requirement of an iPad, then yes you're correct in saying you should have gotten an Android.

Seems right up your alley.

I don't think this is the issue. I think the issue is that people aren't aware that MP4 is a requirement for iTunes, that the Apple iTunes store is a requirement for iTunes, that AAC is a requirement for iTunes and (according to whtrbt7) a MacBook Pro or iMac is also a requirement for iTunes? (eek.)

Sorry whtrbt7 but while I understand what you are saying, it doesn't change the validity of the OP's point of view, namely, that people expect this product "to just work" whereas the reality is that it only works under very specific use cases. (Specifically, according to you, the use case of someone who has purchased 100% of their content from Apple, and uses a Mac as their computer.) It can be something of a shock when you get the device, expecting it to be the ultimate media consumption device, only to discover that it's mostly only the ultimate Apple iTunes Store media consumption device.

Granted, maybe this is expecting too much of the iPad. I wouldn't expect the Kindle to be the ultimate reader of any e-book format. So, maybe I'm expecting too much of the iPad and of Apple. But, if your comments are indeed the facts and the iPad is only a great audio/video consumption device for people who bought most of their content from Apple, or intend to re-buy it all from Apple, then perhaps it's possible that (a) you are right AND (b) the OP is right that for many/most people, the iPad is not going to be the friendliest AV consumption device.

In any case, I do think it's powerful; I have the iPhone, iPad and ATV, but I'm not going to buy much from iTunes simply because I prefer my HiP 4.1 blu-rays and won't spend double for access to a second lower quality streaming version of something I already own. So, if I can figure out a way to convert these things to MP4 while retaining the original video stream & subtitles, I'll bite the bullet and convert everything to play nice with Apple.
 
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I then understood why iTunes works the way it does.

Your experience mirrors mine.

I first downloaded iTunes for Windows due to one of those Pepsi giveaways. I fought it for months, until one day I built a new library and started re-ripping some of my large CD collection and let it do everything it wanted to do. Then I "got" it. I shouldn't care where the files are on the disc as long as iTunes can find them. And it can do a far better job of presenting the metadata in ways a file system can't. Smart Playlists, etc...

That led to my first iPod, then my first Mac in over 15 years, and the rest is (as they say) history.

I think the folks who insist on an accessible file system on every device will be the last to join us in the post PC era.

B
 
I guess I had the wrong idea about apple software. I thought they were supposed to be user friendly/easy.
I download a movie and want to transfer it on to the iPad, but it's Forcing me to use iTunes. Then i found out it only plays mp4 files so I need to convert the movie too! I should have just went with a android tablet. Even my nexus is as easy as drag and drop. :mad:

No no, its not complicated. The problem is you refuse to unlearn your old Windows-esque behavior because you fear learning something new.

I really think you should return the iPad and go with the Android tablet. You'll be much happier.
 
I don't think this is the issue. I think the issue is that people aren't aware that MP4 is a requirement for iTunes, that the Apple iTunes store is a requirement for iTunes, that AAC is a requirement for iTunes and (according to whtrbt7) a MacBook Pro or iMac is also a requirement for iTunes? (eek.)

Sorry whtrbt7 but while I understand what you are saying, it doesn't change the validity of the OP's point of view, namely, that people expect this product "to just work" whereas the reality is that it only works under very specific use cases. (Specifically, according to you, the use case of someone who has purchased 100% of their content from Apple, and uses a Mac as their computer.) It can be something of a shock when you get the device, expecting it to be the ultimate media consumption device, only to discover that it's mostly only the ultimate Apple iTunes Store media consumption device.

Granted, maybe this is expecting too much of the iPad. I wouldn't expect the Kindle to be the ultimate reader of any e-book format. So, maybe I'm expecting too much of the iPad and of Apple. But, if your comments are indeed the facts and the iPad is only a great audio/video consumption device for people who bought most of their content from Apple, or intend to re-buy it all from Apple, then perhaps it's possible that (a) you are right AND (b) the OP is right that for many/most people, the iPad is not going to be the friendliest AV consumption device.

In any case, I do think it's powerful; I have the iPhone, iPad and ATV, but I'm not going to buy much from iTunes simply because I prefer my HiP 4.1 blu-rays and won't spend double for access to a second lower quality streaming version of something I already own. So, if I can figure out a way to convert these things to MP4 while retaining the original video stream & subtitles, I'll bite the bullet and convert everything to play nice with Apple.

Lol, this may be a point where Apple has oversold their product. Every product has limitations otherwise it wouldn't exist. At least Apple didn't use the "Magical" marketing pitch again which I always thought was kinda funny. While for a lot of people, it will be a product "that just works", it's not going to be for everyone due to different viewpoints on what people want. It's a consumer computing device when it comes down to it and that's why it works the way it does.

The other thing that you said that does resonate is that Apple products are designed to work with each other and while they do have iTunes for Windows, the Windows version can get bogged down by multiple factors due to the way Windows is built. For this reason, If you use iOS, it's easier and better to have a Mac. iPods were originally designed so you would want to switch to a Mac and all new iDevices are done the same way. By using a Mac, you leverage the power of your iDevice.

When you said that people aren't aware that iDevices function specifically with MP4, M4V, and AAC audio, it's about 50% correct. Anybody that doesn't read through the tech specs here: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ , will not see the video and audio codecs that these devices support. Apple can't really put this in big bold letters because it's adverse marketing. It's the equivalent of saying "Pepsi - It won't cause cancer" (Sorry PepsiCo). While I don't need to be "right", in order to speak, I do choose to know my stuff before I say something.
 
I agree with the OP. For a device intended to let users consume content, Apple sure seems to go out of its way to make it hard to get content onto it. I like the hardware, I like iOS, I like the accessories, but iTunes (either OSX or Windows) is one of the worst pieces of software I have used. It is slow, unintuitive, restrictive and buggy. It holds the hardware back, and makes the Apple experience needlessly complicated.

I must be the only person on the planet that's never had a moment's trouble with iTunes on Windows or OSX.

I just use it and it works. Now, I don't care how it sorts my music. It doesn't matter one bit. I also rarely use the iTunes store for music or video content. I buy physical media and rip/encode it. It's not the least bit difficult.

If I have some bizarre file that doesn't fit the ecosystem, I use Air Video to watch it.
 
I must be the only person on the planet that's never had a moment's trouble with iTunes on Windows or OSX.

I just use it and it works. Now, I don't care how it sorts my music. It doesn't matter one bit. I also rarely use the iTunes store for music or video content. I buy physical media and rip/encode it. It's not the least bit difficult.

If I have some bizarre file that doesn't fit the ecosystem, I use Air Video to watch it.

Hehehe, I had my gripes with it originally because of my view of what a music management program should be. I wasn't thinking simple, I was thinking super complicated when I didn't need to be. Now I just accept dumping/ripping directly into iTunes and trusting the software to do the work for me which worked out really well. My library is finally over the 250GB mark now with no signs of slowdown or lag. It just runs super fast all the time and it works great on a Mac. Since I do some IT stuff for people also running iTunes, I've seen horrors of Windows and how it can mess with iTunes. There are a lot of reported incidents with the Windows iTunes not working correctly. Most of the time, it's just stupid windows backend stuff like ports not being open or registry corruption.
 
For everybody who's suggested I just get an app like BUZZ Player HD or flexplayer -- for non-mp4 formats, these apps can only play at 720 x 576 quality. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having a iPad 3?

Are there any apps out there that can play the popular non-mp4 formats in 1920x1080 or higher?
 
I must be the only person on the planet that's never had a moment's trouble with iTunes on Windows or OSX.

I just use it and it works. Now, I don't care how it sorts my music. It doesn't matter one bit. I also rarely use the iTunes store for music or video content. I buy physical media and rip/encode it. It's not the least bit difficult.

If I have some bizarre file that doesn't fit the ecosystem, I use Air Video to watch it.

No, you aren't the only one. I had a very large CD and DVD collection when I decided to move it all to the Mac a couple of years ago. I ripped my music in ACC and now buy all my music from iTunes or Amazon - no issues at all. I ripped the movies using Handbrake - no issues at all. It's not like this is rocket science. Now if you want to push the envelope and mess around with formats and codecs that are different than what Apple is using - well, good luck!
 
No, you aren't the only one. I had a very large CD and DVD collection when I decided to move it all to the Mac a couple of years ago. I ripped my music in ACC and now buy all my music from iTunes or Amazon - no issues at all. I ripped the movies using Handbrake - no issues at all. It's not like this is rocket science. Now if you want to push the envelope and mess around with formats and codecs that are different than what Apple is using - well, good luck!

Just to reiterate a point – there are several really good video player apps that allow you to play videos in non-Apple approved codecs and get the videos easily into the app filesystem through downloading directly into the app or connecting through iTunes or a very easy to use FTP server or stream them off a network drive.

I like to think of my iPad as an independent computer and it works quite effectively as such. When I hear people talk about needing to convert videos before putting them onto your iPad for playback it frustrates me because *for me* that would add a big hurdle and headache if I were to be under the impression I absolutely had to do that – but you definitely, totally don't. Especially if you are downloading the files directly off the Internet onto your iPad - you can quite easily download directly on your iPad any video in any format (MKV, AAC, etc.) and play them easily and impressively without ever touching a computer for conversion or transfer or anything.

Okay. Just had to get that out. :)
 
Seriously, don't reply to this guy. Look at his posting history it's nearly all anti apple.

Obvious troll is obvious.
 
I like to think of my iPad as an independent computer and it works quite effectively as such. When I hear people talk about needing to convert videos before putting them onto your iPad for playback it frustrates me because *for me* that would add a big hurdle and headache if I were to be under the impression I absolutely had to do that – but you definitely, totally don't. Especially if you are downloading the files directly off the Internet onto your iPad - you can quite easily download directly on your iPad any video in any format (MKV, AAC, etc.) and play them easily and impressively without ever touching a computer for conversion or transfer or anything.

So which app can play a 1920x1080 MKV file without scaling it down?
 
For everybody who's suggested I just get an app like BUZZ Player HD or flexplayer -- for non-mp4 formats, these apps can only play at 720 x 576 quality. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having a iPad 3?

Are there any apps out there that can play the popular non-mp4 formats in 1920x1080 or higher?

I'm streaming Avatar right now at 720p / 5120kb/s using Air Video live conversion. It looks incredible and the original is a straight Blu-ray rip (37GB). The file is on my media server and being encoded and streamed on the fly by my desktop.

You wont notice a significant difference between this and a higher resolution video on a 9.7 in screen.
 
So which app can play a 1920x1080 MKV file without scaling it down?

I don't know about specific resolutions but I played back Adventures of TinTin which was an MKV file that was 1280 x something and apart from one or two seconds of a few dropped frames it plays back perfectly smoothly. It was a 4.5 gig file.
 
I'm streaming Avatar right now at 720p / 5120kb/s using Air Video live conversion. It looks incredible and the original is a straight Blu-ray rip (37GB). The file is on my media server and being encoded and streamed on the fly by my desktop.

You wont notice a significant difference between this and a higher resolution video on a 9.7 in screen.

Can't agree anymore, with an extensive range of apps you can choose from, and with your imagination iPad can do almost anything you can think off, I am also an paid air video user, I can stream movie in any format from my iMac to iPad. And I can even AirPlay this to my appleTv which hooked into an hdmi amplifier! It's kind of cool!
 
Can you really see the difference?

For everybody who's suggested I just get an app like BUZZ Player HD or flexplayer -- for non-mp4 formats, these apps can only play at 720 x 576 quality. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having a iPad 3?

Are there any apps out there that can play the popular non-mp4 formats in 1920x1080 or higher?
This was discussed on the Goodplayer review thread on this forum. (Macrumors Forums>Apple Applications>iPad Apps>Goodplayer review/report) The impression I have is that 1080p files will still stutter on an iPad3 if not in mp4/m4v. 1080p mp4/mv4 files will play smoothly with Goodplayer in what they call iPod mode.

However, at some point doesn't what you can see on a small screen becomes an issue. I don't know about the iPad3 but on my iPad2 I cannot see the difference between 450p and 720p. If that is the case, how could 1080p be better? The difference is visible on my 27" iMac and obvious when I go to 42" HDTV but I really can't see it on the iPad. On a phone the idea of 1080p is even more unlikely.

For those of you with iPad3, can you tell the difference? I don't mean this to be argumentative. If you say you can see the difference, I for one will take you at your word. I would be interested to know.
 
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