Why is Windows so bloated?

[codo]

You don't buy your computer from Microsoft. You do from Apple.

Apple integrates it's "drivers", it's done, and ready.

I suggest people who have these problems take issue with their vendor for either - Not making the installation simple enough with good guides or automated driver installation from a CD, or for providing you with crap drivers.

I don't have a Mac because I can't install drivers, I have a Mac because I wanted a different approach. I liked the look and feel of OS X, and I love Final Cut in comparison to Premier and Liquid. Anyone using the Mac platform thinking they are immune from any software problems is deluded and ignorant. I could list things that annoy me about both, but I'm not here to flame, I'm just here to make a point that has been made a million times before, and will likely be made a million times more.

Lets end this, honestly. It's so repetitive and dull, and I suppose I'm adding to the annoyance by posting. So I'm done on the issue.

 

[bearbo]

From a technical standpoint, yes it IS Window's fault.
The lack of a correct driver shouldn't cause the whole OS to belly-up.
It should, at the very least, be designed to bitch and complain.
Which I believe WindowsXP is designed to do.

It could just as easily be an issue with the USB port or the motherboard's firmware. Which has nothing to do with Windows, or drivers.

i think all OS has that fault to a large extent, so relatively, it's not Windows' fault, it's a technical barrier

 

[bearbo]

I agree to an extent what you mean about the title. What I meant to say is that it is bloated because it takes so much more effort to make the system run. What fustrated me is that you need three things to make a PC or Mac work: A keyboard, mouse and monitor. It is not as if I was using an Apple Bluetooth or a keyboard with a million and one extra keys for emails etc and I complaied that they where not mapped because this is to be expected in some cases. But why can I plug a keyboard for Windows into a mac and it works fine (except the crazy mail and www keys which I accept wont work) but I can't plug a basic 109 key layout into a Windows machine and it doesnt work?
I have set up some complex servers that travel all over the world and communicate with a single factory and they run Windows Server and I think that it is great, never had any real problems. But as soon as I run Windows XP home edition (which I am sure the vast majority of people use) it take 5 minutes to make the keyboard work?

i did not have perfect plug n play experience with windows mouse/keyboard work on my mac... i had a microsoft mouse, that the mac will just not take.. it'll move irratically despite how i change the preference.

i will not comment any further on the 2nd paragraph

 

[bearbo]

I find that OS X is just as bloated at Windows XP in terms of file size and drivers.

I just find that Windows' implementation is TERRIBLE. You get prompted to death for drivers (even if you already have them) and mounting a drive requires you to repeat the same steps every time if you've never mounted it before. It's very annoying when you're giving presentations and 2-3 minutes are wasted just waiting for flash drivers to mount.

that i will agree with you, in some cases windows is indeed less user friendly and confusing than a mac

edit: sorry i did not merge posts, please forgive me (or a mod can merge them and remove the 2 latter ones)

 

[yellow]

tell me when OP says anything negative about the keyboard

now who's presuming?

You're presuming that anyone would understand what this post means.

 

[R.Youden]

i will not comment any further on the 2nd paragraph

Why not? Do you have a problem with it? All I am doing is relaying my experiences, sorry if they are not a vast as yours, oh sorry I am making an asumption here.

 

[bearbo]

i didn't see he complain about apple keyboard... and i'd believe if he try to plug in a "PC webcam" in mac, he'd be cursing the PC webcam rather than OS X

Which means you didn't even really read the post, you just read the title, got mad, skimmed the post(s) and got busy with your angry pokes at the OP's skills with a computer.

tell me when OP says anything negative about the keyboard

now who's presuming?

You're presuming that anyone would understand what this post means.

gosh.. clear enough?

 

[yellow]

i did not have perfect plug n play experience with windows mouse/keyboard work on my mac... i had a microsoft mouse, that the mac will just not take.. it'll move irratically despite how i change the preference.

So.. is it OK for me to assail your skills with a Mac because I have used tens of Microsoft mice successfully with many flavors of OS X without having to install IntelliPoint?

gosh.. clear enough?

Yes, I remember it quite clearly. I just didn't see the point of you bringing it up. So you simply wanted to point out that apparently I was guilty of skimming posts as well, without actually admitting that you were also guilty of this? You must be a Republican.

I think I'll stop bantering with you as it's accomplishing absolutely nothing for the OP problems with Windows XP Home and an Apple Keyboard.

 

[bearbo]

Why not? Do you have a problem with it? All I am doing is relaying my experiences, sorry if they are not a vast as yours, oh sorry I am making an asumption here.

because if i were to say anything, i was gonna say i have run and seen people run XP home without any problem. you should be able to too. if you cannot, well, there's something you didnt do right

but of course, i want to be nicer

i did not claim i have more experience or as much experience as you do, but i am saying i have never had problem like this, nor have i known anyone that did.

where on this f**king planet did i say you made a assumption?

 

[bearbo]

So.. is it OK for me to assail your skills with a Mac because I have used tens of Microsoft mice successfully with many flavors of OS X without having to install IntelliPoint?

sure if you want to, however i didn't start a thread bitch about OS X nor the mouse

Yes, I remember it quite clearly. I just didn't see the point of you bringing it up. So you simply wanted to point out that apparently I was guilty of skimming posts as well, without actually admitting that you were also guilt of this? You must be a Republican.

i wanted to point out that you are wrongly accusing me of doing somethign i did not. i read each post word by word.

i did not say you skim through posts with out reading them, and i dont like if you say i skim through posts without reading them.

 

[R.Youden]

if you cannot, well, there's something you didnt do right

THATS my point! How much can I do wrong with a keyboard, hmm lets see, plug in the USB port and then I have to, erm wait no I dont think I should have to do anything else with a keyboard.

I came to the assumption in the same way that you assumed I was bloated and didn't know how to use a PC.

 

[Eidorian]

I'm still extremely perplexed on what "bearbo" is trying to get at. The drivers were there and the keyboard worked just fine in Windows. At worst the OP uses "bloated" as "poor hardware installation implementation". The keyboard works just fine. On OS X is just WORKS on Windows it WORKS TOO but requires a lot of user input and progress bars as the drivers install.

Scary stuff for an inexperienced user when you're asked about drivers when they're already supplied in Windows.

 

[R.Youden]

I'm still extremely perplexed on what "bearbo" is trying to get at. The drivers were there and the keyboard worked just fine in Windows. At worst the OP uses "bloated" as "poor hardware installation implementation". The keyboard works just fine. On OS X is just WORKS on Windows it WORKS TOO but requires a lot of user input and progress bars as the drivers install.

Scary stuff for an inexperienced user when you're asked about drivers when they're already supplied in Windows.

Thanks for the sensible post. What I suppose someone could of said was "hmm, I have never had any problems with keyboards on my Windows machine, you may have a problem with your drivers but it is not a general Windows problem".

 

[IJ Reilly]

I find that OS X is just as bloated at Windows XP in terms of file size and drivers.

I just find that Windows' implementation is TERRIBLE. You get prompted to death for drivers (even if you already have them) and mounting a drive requires you to repeat the same steps every time if you've never mounted it before. It's very annoying when you're giving presentations and 2-3 minutes are wasted just waiting for flash drivers to mount.

You and I should introduce ourselves to bearbo, because apparently nobody he's actually met has these problems with Windows.

 

[clevin]

I was playing around with my girlfriends PC (she also has an eMac and iBook, don't worry!) as I want to set it up on a KVM with my old PowerMac. Anyway I tried connecting my Apple Pro keyboard to the Windows box. Why oh why is it so difficult! On a Mac you plug it in and off it goes, works perfectly. On Windows you have to wait to install 3 drivers! For God's sake it is a keyboard! Help me if I try to install something complex. I thought USB was plug and play, not plug - wait 5 minutes - then tentatively play until it crashes!

<Hugs MBP>

they all have pros and cons, i can also ask, why oh why my 20GB external harddrive can't work properly in OSX? OSX can recognize it, buy never been able to open any file on it, it works fine under windows? do i have to abandon my harddrive?

 

[bearbo]

THATS my point! How much can I do wrong with a keyboard, hmm lets see, plug in the USB port and then I have to, erm wait no I dont think I should have to do anything else with a keyboard.

I came to the assumption in the same way that you assumed I was bloated and didn't know how to use a PC.

okay.. let me try to be constructive here

1. despite all other problems windows had.. were you ever able to connect any usb keyboard to that particular machine? probably yes
2. was any keyboard connected to that machine right before you yanked it and stuffed the apple keyboard in there? probably yes
3. was the previous keyboard working okay? probably yes
4. so the previous keyboard worked, but apple keyboard didnt... that could me one of three things

a. the driver windows had for generic usb keyboard is somewhat different than the one apple keyboard uses
b. the driver was corrupted the instant you yanked the previosu keyboard
c. that particular apple keyboard unit is defective

i think it's (a)

therefore in order to solve that problem, you can
a) not use that keyboard since the driver is somewhat different
b) introduce to windows the right driver
c) not do anything, but post on macrumor about your experience, so people will also be cautious with using apple keyboard on windows machine

i think (b) will probably be good... however another problem arose, how do you get the proper driver?
a) ask apple for one?
b) search on the internet for one that's closest to it

a) might not be good because apple probably does'nt make them for windows
b) will probably be your best bet.

i only came to that assumption because it seems to me that if you know your way around it, it shouldn't take you long to figure out a solution.

 

[bearbo]

You and I should introduce ourselves to bearbo, because apparently nobody he's actually met has these problems with Windows.

(please do so, i cannot help but say that i dont know you, not in real life anyway)

please also enlighten me what could be the problem that my microsoft mouse does not work properly on my MBP, but fine on my IBM? please don't be sarcastic, as that's a real question.

 

[R.Youden]

I did no "yanking" of cables. I shut down the PC. Removed the keyboard and rebooted as I always have done. Upon the machine booting it took 5 minutes for Windows to install "Generic USB keyboard driver". Now my opinion is that a generic driver is something that should have been installed when I first installed the OS. Its not a huge thing to consider that people may use a generic keyboard?

 

[bearbo]

I did no "yanking" of cables. I shut down the PC. Removed the keyboard and rebooted as I always have done. Upon the machine booting it took 5 minutes for Windows to install "Generic USB keyboard driver". Now my opinion is that a generic driver is something that should have been installed when I first installed the OS. Its not a huge thing to consider that people may use a generic keyboard?

oh excuse my choice of words

i believe everytime you plug in a new device (how OSs know its a new device altho same brand/model as before is beyond me), it register with the system, and system install a new copy of driver for that device... but this time, the system mistakenly thought apple keyboard is same as generic usb keyboard... how can apple be generic

but of course, with your vast knowledge, you would definitely know this more accurate and more correct than i do

 

[clevin]

I did no "yanking" of cables. I shut down the PC. Removed the keyboard and rebooted as I always have done. Upon the machine booting it took 5 minutes for Windows to install "Generic USB keyboard driver". Now my opinion is that a generic driver is something that should have been installed when I first installed the OS. Its not a huge thing to consider that people may use a generic keyboard?

there are always something a OS couldn't do as good as you expected, for windows, OSX, or linux. and your first post has a weird title, what you said really can't be a proof of windows being "bloated".

 

[dextertangocci]

It's because winblows sucks

 

[breakfastcrew]

ha ha your girlfriend's pc sucks because that never happens to me.

 

[ddekker]

not sure why a keyboard issue is blaming windows on being bloated.. as far as the keyboard goes I have never had a problem with plugging just about anything into my PC's... I have had issues with some things on the mac just not working... but I think this was a trolling post...

DD