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Why MBP2018 have so many issues?
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I’ve been running Windows on my Macs for over ten years and have never once installed BootCamp. But then I don’t play games. Sounds like you should get a Nice, trouble-free PC.
I think some of the comments in this thread are a little unfortunate.. Not all people experiencing problems with this Macbook are Apple bashers or whatever you want to call them.
Speaking for myself, I go back to 2006 as an Apple customer and starting 2009 I've only used MacBooks for my computing, I use it for work, I use it in private, my wife owns a 12" Macbook, and we both own an iPad and an iPhone. The only product from Apple that I just don't get is the Apple Watch, but even then I can understand that it solves a problem for some people, just not for me.
That being said, I do experience problems with this new Macbook, multiple that were addressed here in this forum. I do get the popping sounds, I do get the coil whine and its certainly not great that the throttling with Bootcamp isn't fixed. Yet here I get to read 'Just buy a windows PC' or that you should look to other manufacturers because you experience a problem with this one Macbook model and I just want to ask 'Why?' My MBP 2014 seems to run Bootcamp without throttling, and part of the Macbook's value proposition for me has always been that I can use Bootcamp to get to Windows. Why should I suddenly have to accept my new Macbook to not do that correctly?
I am returning my machine, but that doesn't mean I'll stop using Apple products/Macbook. In fact, l'll switch back to my MBP2014 until most of the problems are solved and then buy one. Exchanging your faulty one for a new one with an extended test period, or asking for a refund and buy later, are the smart things to do when you experience problems with a purchase I think. Hoping that a company will solve the problems while you're still in your 14day return period isn't.
I think some of you need to take a step back and accept that these machines have some errors in them, from the BridgeOS problems, to coil whine, the sound popping and others that popped up. All not small things, and all reasons for customers to worry about. Telling them to keep the machine and say that everybody should just trust Apple to solve them is not healthy I think, as it makes them less likely to use their consumer rights to return machines within the 14days of purchase when they show problems.
Do I think a large portion of these Macbook have these problem? I surely hope not and some of you have indicated that yours are just about perfect. But as I said before, some also have had multiple returns exhibiting the same types of problems and that isn't good. I just hope that this forum is open for discussion and loses this attitude that it must be people that have a problem with Apple as I sure don't, but I do experience problems with this Macbook.
Edit: Mistakenly put MacOs/OSX instead of MacBooks
Speaking for myself, I go back to 2006 as an Apple customer and starting 2009 I've only used MacBooks for my computing, I use it for work, I use it in private, my wife owns a 12" Macbook, and we both own an iPad and an iPhone. The only product from Apple that I just don't get is the Apple Watch, but even then I can understand that it solves a problem for some people, just not for me.
That being said, I do experience problems with this new Macbook, multiple that were addressed here in this forum. I do get the popping sounds, I do get the coil whine and its certainly not great that the throttling with Bootcamp isn't fixed. Yet here I get to read 'Just buy a windows PC' or that you should look to other manufacturers because you experience a problem with this one Macbook model and I just want to ask 'Why?' My MBP 2014 seems to run Bootcamp without throttling, and part of the Macbook's value proposition for me has always been that I can use Bootcamp to get to Windows. Why should I suddenly have to accept my new Macbook to not do that correctly?
I am returning my machine, but that doesn't mean I'll stop using Apple products/Macbook. In fact, l'll switch back to my MBP2014 until most of the problems are solved and then buy one. Exchanging your faulty one for a new one with an extended test period, or asking for a refund and buy later, are the smart things to do when you experience problems with a purchase I think. Hoping that a company will solve the problems while you're still in your 14day return period isn't.
I think some of you need to take a step back and accept that these machines have some errors in them, from the BridgeOS problems, to coil whine, the sound popping and others that popped up. All not small things, and all reasons for customers to worry about. Telling them to keep the machine and say that everybody should just trust Apple to solve them is not healthy I think, as it makes them less likely to use their consumer rights to return machines within the 14days of purchase when they show problems.
Do I think a large portion of these Macbook have these problem? I surely hope not and some of you have indicated that yours are just about perfect. But as I said before, some also have had multiple returns exhibiting the same types of problems and that isn't good. I just hope that this forum is open for discussion and loses this attitude that it must be people that have a problem with Apple as I sure don't, but I do experience problems with this Macbook.
Edit: Mistakenly put MacOs/OSX instead of MacBooks
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Don't confuse trolls with genuine help. Some people will call anyone who says anything positive some kind of Apple hero, others will call anyone who says anything negative an idiot. Between these two you do find normal people, but you can sit on one side and feel people are attacking.
New computers have problems, it seems the 2018 MacBooks have problems as every other release has had. However people shouldn't tell you to keep it and "Trust Apple" as you mentioned. If it's a hardware fault, of course take it back. If it's a software fault, then it's up to you. A lot of the problems get blown out of proportion, and a lot of threads on the same topic crop up time and time again (This is one of them!) which are just a source of nonsensical argument. If you see the OP make an 'opinion', and then never return to reply, and then look at the post history, then the thread is generally existing purely to pit people against each other in some nerdastic form of Apple Vs. Windows keyboard wars or something.
Otherwise of course you get people returning the machine multiple times, I swear some people do this just because they can. They are often the same people who start threads with "I spent $$$ on something and it doesn't work!", and constantly complain about the price, ironically... If your machine is defective, return it, no worries, if you've gone over it with a microscope and are determined to seek perfection just because you spent some money, or 'OCD', then clearly you have far too much time on your hands and probably don't need the thing in the first place.
Anyway, peace out. Don't let the trolls bite!
Didn't you even get something else and were not happy with it either? Some people just make it their life's goal to seek perfection that can't exist
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Anyway, peace out. Don't let the trolls bite!
Corrected the mistake, meant to say MacBooks.
I didn't check the OP post history so if that's what he does then I should've kept myself from responding.
I don't agree though that any of the issues found here (the sound popping, throttling, bridge OS errors and even the coil whine) are issues that can only be experienced/found when you go looking for them or have OCD. If people are bothered by slightly harsher tone of some keys or a couple of mm difference in hinge distances then maybe, but sound and speed are pretty relevant issues for a such a machine.
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Wasn't saying the OP is anything, just look at the post history and make your own judgement.
I wasn't suggesting the issues you mentioned are only observable through a microscope. Just that certain 'issues', such as "Trackpad flexes when I press hard!", "Screen rattles when I shake my MBP!", "I don't use the TouchBar!", "The screen color is different than my friends!" etc. are just, well, forum fodder.
check out his posts in the "2019 mbp thread stickied at the top", he's always ******** on mbp's there.
There's always issues with a new model regardless of brand, equally they are generally confined to small numbers as the production facilities, providers etc dial in their QC processes. In general its better to wait a few months and let things settle.
The 2018 performance is on par for the chassis. Apple may be able improve a little more, equally a thin & light portable with an emphasis on design and more than fast enough for average users (gaming excluded).
Bottom line is you have issue with the design of the MBP as do I. Simple answer is to accept the compromise or move to another brand that meets your need.
The 2018 is certainly less compromised now due the increased performance, option of 32Gb RAM (for those that need) and KB reliability looks to have been resolved.
To be direct you just need to make a decision and go with it, as neither Apple or the Windows OEM's offer the perfect product for all.
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Bolded the important part. OP, you spent years analyzing and over-thinking the purchase of a laptop.
@hajime, I'm pretty sure no matter what laptop you finally decide to buy, you will be unhappy with unless you change your expectations and line of thinking. Every laptop makes decisions and compromises on design, thermal management, components, and performance. There is no holy grail of laptops that offer everything.
The 2018 MBP is a fine machine, but as I said earlier, you seem to really hate apple, or at least what apple is in 2018 and if that's the case it may be a mistake to spend so much money on a product that you don't like. If you really don't like the butterfly keyboard (and I totally get that), then why spend almost 3k on a 15" or over 2k for a 13" that uses that keyboard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you plan on using windows which it seems you might be based on your other posts, then a Dell, Asus, MSI, Lenovo or Razer are excellent choices. There are other fine PC makers as well, I just highlightd a handful.
It’s not that most are disavowing any issues as blind fans, but if you go on a forum for about any product, the overwhelming volume of posts are for problems. This is quite normal, but many do not understand that and assume that every user is experiencing them.
And yes this forum is loaded with trolls like no other that I experience. I’ve never been able to understand why Apple brings out the trolls like no other.
The list of problems you list contains just about everything that there have been reports of, but it the forums make them look like they are much larger than the reality.
It’s kind of like the ratings systems on most sites. Nearly everything has either 5 stars or 1 star. The reality is that most products should be 3 stars. 5 Star should be reserved for thing that work better than expected and far better than the other products n their class, and one star should be for ones that fall way behind.
What gets me is i have a simple mac problem i can't figure out, so i posted that here,
not one reply
The reason being is because most people here are braggers, then complainers.
Since that is not MR fault, i still post, rant- but help those who cannot get the support from apple now.
what is an emowgee?
not one reply
The reason being is because most people here are braggers, then complainers.
Since that is not MR fault, i still post, rant- but help those who cannot get the support from apple now.
what is an emowgee?
If the MBP2018 were like the 2014 rMBP 15", no complain. I would have bought it. The main issue is I have tried the 3rd gen butterfly keyboard several times in different stores but I can't seem to like it. As you said, why spend that much money on a laptop that uses that keyboard. Perhaps I just try out the Thinkpad and if I don't like it, then return it and just buy a MBP. At least the Thinkpads have a better keyboard.
I have owned many Thinkpads and they have their problems, too.
I do think a Thinkpad will be better for you as the Apple keyboard will not be changed for you.
Two points:
1) They are never going back to the 2014 model. Accept it. I have (reluctantly).
2) I also disliked the butterfly keyboard. But since I got a used 12" rMB, I've grown to like typing on it. Possibly I'm growing to prefer it. But just using it in the shop is not enough time to adjust.
I think you need to realise that buying a laptop - any laptop - involves compromise. You need to choose which compromises you can accept, not which is the best laptop. When you frame the problem in terms of compromises, then the answer might become more obvious.
But its not, and no amount of wishing or complaining is going to change that. You have to choose whether the 2018 MBP fits your needs. If it doesn't, then find a different computer. This isn't rocket surgery. I bought a Razer, liked it very much, but I missed the macOS environment. I bought the 2018 and I'm content. Is it perfect, no, but it checks off all the important things I have and I'm happy.
Well there's your answer. If you cannot get beyond the keyboard, no amount of using it, will change that, and you will be regretting the purchase.
Well, there you go, you have a solution in front of you then.
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Not just laptops, but life is an exercise of comprise. If someone doesn't realize this, they will have a difficult time. More specifically, the MBP is a balance of power, heat and design in a small enclosure. What it offers may not be for everyone, but that's ok, since everyone is different. Buying laptop that doesn't fit the need, or someone doesn't like, is a mistake on so many levels. More so given the high price tag. Life is too short to obsess over something as trivial and mundane as a laptop.
Dont they (rocket doctors rocdocs) scrap or dissemble defective rockets?
I can ask........
A suggestion: why don't you take a "positive" approach instead of a "negative" one? Instead of asking people what's wrong with the machine, just give it a chance, buy one and use the hell out of it for 10 days or so. If it's not the right tool for you, you can return it within two weeks no questions asked.
But before doing that (or anything else you decide to do) you should really accept the key facts that (1) every laptop is a compromise, (2) the current MBP design is what it is and it's not going to change for at least one year, probably two. Make peace with the idea that you are searching for the best compromise (which you can find) and not for the perfect machine (which doesn't exist). If you don't, you'll 100% be dissatisfied by any choice and opening a hundred topics is not going to help much.
But before doing that (or anything else you decide to do) you should really accept the key facts that (1) every laptop is a compromise, (2) the current MBP design is what it is and it's not going to change for at least one year, probably two. Make peace with the idea that you are searching for the best compromise (which you can find) and not for the perfect machine (which doesn't exist). If you don't, you'll 100% be dissatisfied by any choice and opening a hundred topics is not going to help much.
Should have seen how crazy mad people were at graphics bugs, stiff trackpad and keyboard issues when the 2016 model came out. Mac users go mad like that because they’re expect everything perfect every time. They got a little bit of Steve in all of them ))
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In what way is it buggy. Been running Win10 via BootCamp on my 2018 15" 2.6 16/512 and it has run AutoCad, Photoshop, Office and QBPro with out a flaw. I have only heard the fan come on one time and that was while installing PS.
Did you play any games on it (the main reason I use bootcamp)? I wonder apple is going to fix the throttling issue in bootcamp as well.
No I am afraid I do not a lot play games, my favorite game is making a living and keeping my company running smoothly.