Why most are interested MBP with Vega 20 rather than Vega 16?

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  1. hajime macrumors 603

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    I am not familiar with AMD GPU. Is the Vega 20 much better than the Vega 16?
     
  2. Thysanoptera macrumors 6502a

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    Because it is in no man' s land, once you upgrade to Vega 16 you're just small step away from 20, too slow for people who need absolutely the best GPU, too expensive and power hungry for people who need just basic GPU.
     
  3. skirmisser macrumors member

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    Also the pricing ($250 vs. $350) makes getting the Vega 20 the obvious decision. If it was priced at say $150 vs $300 I would have expected the Vega 16 to do better sales wise.
     
  4. hajime thread starter macrumors 603

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    Any longer battery life for the MBP2018 under Vega 16 and 20?
     
  5. Thysanoptera macrumors 6502a

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    Those proportions look even worse when you take into account upgrade from 555x - being forced to pay 450$ for Vega 16 and $550 for Vega 20. And if you're ok with 256GB SSD you're looking at paying extra $650 just to get Vega 16 and $750 for 20.
     
  6. hajime thread starter macrumors 603

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    I wonder if Apple will also upgrade the keyboard a few months from now. If there were no issue with the 3rd generation keyboard which people have been complaining, perhaps I just give the MBP2018 with Vega a try.
     
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    That won’t happen. Apple would have to admit that the 3rd Gen Butterfly Keyboard was failure for that to happen and they won’t.

    Instead we will likely see a 3rd Gen. Keyboard Repair Program, much like the previous 2 generations and it will be on to Gen. 4 in the next redesign.
     
  8. filmbuff macrumors 6502a

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    So why do they even make the Vega 16 if the 20 is such an obvious choice? If someone wants a lower cost one they can just get the 555X right?

    While we’re here what is the real world difference between the 555X and Vega 20 outside of gaming? Is it really worth $550? For video work for instance you can already easily edit 4k on the old MBP right? It’s not like someone is actually going to edit a feature length film on a Mabcook so I don’t see how it would be worth the upgrade.
     
  9. leman macrumors G3

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    Just give it up. You will never be happy with a MBP. Your posts make this perfectly clear.
     
  10. maflynn Moderator

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    Since the person buying decided they needed the higher end machine, and decided to pay for the premium of an upgraded GPU, why skimp now? In for a penny in for a pound, you might as well get the fasted GPU at that point.
     
  11. unglued macrumors 6502

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    That was one reason I went with the Vega 20, for $100 more why not. I’m sure that was Apple’s plan to suck us in deeper. But I’m going another 5 years with this new MBP like my last one so it’s all good.
     
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    If your spending thousands already, to me it makes too much sense, just get the higher end GPU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  13. hajime thread starter macrumors 603

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    With the complaints about the 3rd gen butterfly keyboard, can we go for anotehr 5 years with the current MBP?

    How likely will it be that those who have the MBP2018 will give up on the machine due to the keyboard failure and trade in immediately after Apple releases a new redesign of the keyboard? If I am buying MBP2018 with Vega 20, I will probably do so. It means lose half of the money.

    Is trade in value of MBP better than the Thinkpad? I could get CAD$400 from Apple if I sell my MBP 2010 17" to them now.
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    I was very happy with 2014 MBP and those before it.
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    Need to wait for the next redesign, hopfully not an even thinner MBP.

    If there were a MBP with ipad-like virtual keyboard, I would rather buy it now. It should be thinner and lighter than the current MBP 2018 and have no keyboard failure.
     
  14. unglued, Dec 2, 2018
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    Most times I use an external keyboard at my desk which should help the wear and tear on the MBP keyboard for the long haul. But honestly I’m not too worried, I feel all the issues reported are a very small percentage compared to the MBP’s with zero issues. If anything, I’m more concerned about OS and software issues and working through getting it all working on a new machine.
     
  15. SDColorado Contributor

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    That’s my hope. I would really like to see a complete redesign of the current keyboard, not just the addition of a silicone barrier that simply delays the issue rather than addresses if.

    I am hopeful that we see real change in the next iteration.
     
  16. hajime thread starter macrumors 603

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    Delaying the issue is not good for us. For example, if they say they are also going to have a free replacement program for three years. Adding the silicone barrier delays the occurance of the problem to the point that we have to pay.
     
  17. SDColorado Contributor

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    And that right there may well have been the intent. Try to delay the issue to the point where machines are at a minimum out of standard warranty and if there is a keyboard program down the road, well into that.

    Apple had to know that the addition of the silicon barrier was not going to solve the issue. IFixit was quickly about to demonstrate how it slowed ingress, but didn’t prevent it.

    So why bother with it? A little quieter to type on? A little placebo that Apple is aware of the issue and working on a fix? Or maybe it was a little bit of legal tactic after previous class action suits regarding the keyboard where they had to demonstrate that they were doing *something* to address the previous failures. Dunno
     
  18. hajime thread starter macrumors 603

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    Probably they just want to max the profit they can get with the already designed butterfly keyboard. They made small changes and called 2nd gen. 3rd gen. Some people might have thought that latest gen would have solved the problem and bough thte MBP2018. Some might decided to buy the MBP2018 thinking that Apple would offer free replacement program later.

    I just came across this video about Apple practices. Does not sound good:

     
  19. FrostyF macrumors regular

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    Personally I think this is a marketing trick by Apple to get people to pay $350 and the margins are probably much higher on V20 vs V16.

    Based on my unscientific observation of Geekbench scores, the Vega 20 is outselling the 16 by about 20:1. "Only 100 more" is easy to justify when you're already spending this kind of money.
     
  20. leman macrumors G3

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    Pretty much this. Or, from the another point of view, they trick people into paying $250 for a GPU that's essentially a deficient byproduct of the manufacturing process in order to optimise their revenue. It will be a bit of both :)

    The margins are trivially higher on the Pro 20, since Pro 20 and Pro 16 is the same chip and cost the same to make. The later is simply "failed" Pro 20 with some of its cores defective and/or disabled.
     
  21. FrostyF macrumors regular

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    To be fair it costs AMD the same to make....I'm sure they'll charge Apple 5 bucks extra for it ;)
     
  22. leman macrumors G3

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    Oh, I am sure that they divide all the profits brotherly. As in: "the bigger brother gets everything" :)
     

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