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My mom was always part of that remembrance ceremony at her high school.
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Why no comment section for "Apple Celebrates International Women's Day by Highlighting Apps, TV Shows, Podcasts and More Made by Women" [Merged]
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"abusive controlling boyfriends" could also read as "abusive controlling partners"
the problem with what you have shared lies here:
"everyone who behaves like this is a man,"
I'm trying to be as nice as possible about this. Can't you see how the statements you have made are flawed? Women are plenty capable of being an abusive and controlling partner. Thats all I am trying to say here. I can't let that post and it's sentiment just remain unchallenged. It's flawed. Again, I'm really trying to be nice - I still want to stand up for whats right. Please and thank you.
You're right. What you have shared is sexist misandry. Thats exactly why I am pointing this out.
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No it doesn't, or not really. It just looks like a site that has an experienced editor. There are all kinds of sites that decide whether or not to permit comments on particular pieces. Some of them are major news outlets and some are sites akin to this one, i.e. having a focus on tech or some other industry segment, with related news pieces and some community forums like this one.
OK I admit sometimes when I run into a piece in the NYT and when after reading it my first impulse is to post a remark.... and I can't... my next impulse is to figure the editors are biased and my next one after that is to realize they have their reasons and I don't own the site so I shrug and get over it. Or you know, go someplace and sulk for awhile. Once I posted a snarky retweet of the link on Twitter and all that netted me was about 5000 replies that made me realize the NYT editor had it right to begin with... 🤪
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I dunno. Did you ever lurk on some of the threads where you could collapse the thing to "yo mama" and "what a great phone" with respective counts, but as let rip the thing has 10k posts?
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So I thought something was broken when there was no link to the comments on this article...
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but then noticed that comments had been disabled. Really MacRumors? I'm used to half of stories going straight to PRSI but now you're just going to disable comments entirely? Do you think your readership is so misogynistic that we can't have comments?
Oh wait, that's probably right. This is why we can't have nice things. Good job forums. You may now return to your regularly scheduled endless political fighting
edit: wow, even worse than I thought, my thread was consolidated with an existing one and it had already been shut down entirely in order to prune all the hate. MacRumors forums you've outdone yourselves slowclap.gif
Apple Celebrates International Women's Day by Highlighting Apps, TV Shows, Podcasts and More Made by Women
Apple today formally announced its upcoming "She Creates" initiative at Apple Stores, which will see Apple host more than 5,000 Today at...
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but then noticed that comments had been disabled. Really MacRumors? I'm used to half of stories going straight to PRSI but now you're just going to disable comments entirely? Do you think your readership is so misogynistic that we can't have comments?
Oh wait, that's probably right. This is why we can't have nice things. Good job forums. You may now return to your regularly scheduled endless political fighting
edit: wow, even worse than I thought, my thread was consolidated with an existing one and it had already been shut down entirely in order to prune all the hate. MacRumors forums you've outdone yourselves slowclap.gif
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Because it would feel snappier? Because Jobs would be rolling in his grave?
There are predictable discussions to all sorts of topics, and it’s never stopped you before. Why run a system designed for forum discussion about articles you write, if you don’t want to run the discussion about articles you write? Any reason some topics become sacred cows, or are you just a particularly big Streisand fan?
It looks like hypocrisy to me. Thats why I am here and I have spoken up. Especially when comments full of misandry are used to legitimize the decisions made.
I don't even think this forum should be involved in politics to begin with. Now Apple has certainly dipped its toes into it more since Jobs passed away (I know Gore was on their board and all that) but this is not really news. It's MacRumors, it should be about Hardware and software, or major company events.
I know that many will disagree, but I've been lurking here for almost the whole time it's been around, and 98% of my time has been in forums that have nothing to do with politics. There's enough political garbage injected into everything now that I don't need more.
On the issue of biases, they claim they do not want a repeated discussion. While I do respect many of the mods here, this is hypocritical. Time and time again this forum has seen the same thread or discussion repeatedly, without any type of merge or closing.
Here are some examples:
PowerBook G5
iPod black vs white
How noticeable is stagnate
and so on.
You can claim this is because it's News and not user-created threads, however this would also by hypocritical. Many times have multiple news stories ended up with the exact same discussions, the first ones that come to mind were the threads unveiling the aluminum iMac, and the teardown pictures thread. Another would be the unveiling of numerous iPods, and the follow-up threads saw the exact same discussions.
I have not touched on my views on the central Political issue here, simply the way the forums are run. I couldn't care less the political views of the publisher, the moderator, nor the forum users. I do not believe this is being viewed from an objective lens by all parties.
I know that many will disagree, but I've been lurking here for almost the whole time it's been around, and 98% of my time has been in forums that have nothing to do with politics. There's enough political garbage injected into everything now that I don't need more.
On the issue of biases, they claim they do not want a repeated discussion. While I do respect many of the mods here, this is hypocritical. Time and time again this forum has seen the same thread or discussion repeatedly, without any type of merge or closing.
Here are some examples:
PowerBook G5
iPod black vs white
How noticeable is stagnate
and so on.
You can claim this is because it's News and not user-created threads, however this would also by hypocritical. Many times have multiple news stories ended up with the exact same discussions, the first ones that come to mind were the threads unveiling the aluminum iMac, and the teardown pictures thread. Another would be the unveiling of numerous iPods, and the follow-up threads saw the exact same discussions.
I have not touched on my views on the central Political issue here, simply the way the forums are run. I couldn't care less the political views of the publisher, the moderator, nor the forum users. I do not believe this is being viewed from an objective lens by all parties.
Actually, the comments were exclusively misandric.
Sorry you've been mistaken.
See here:
Why no comment section for "Apple Celebrates International Women's Day by Highlighting Apps, TV Shows, Podcasts and More Made by Women" [Merged]
Not to provoke any flamewars here, but let me share where I'm coming from, and it does relate to both the original story that this thread references (now moved to the Politics forum), and the claim that MacRumors is wrong to disallow comments on it. About 30 years ago, I lost several classmates...
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Misandric sexist remarks:
"abusive controlling boyfriends" could also read as "abusive controlling partners"
the problem with what JayKay514 has shared lies here: "everyone who behaves like this is a man,"
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Thank you. It was pretty dark. I didn't go to Polytechnique - I was classmates with some of them at college and had mutual friends - but that day was kinda like 9/11, we were all in shock after.
Yes, you are correct, there are abusive controlling people everywhere.
I should be more specific, and address what I think is the core issue here.
It can be strongly argued that American / Canadian society follows patriarchal norms; in many aspects of life, we value men's opinions, desires, lives, and experience far more than women's. The structures of our societies - from laws to social customs to how we design cities to segregate groups - are rooted in historic inequality, and patriarchy is part of that.
There is a distorted view of "what it is to be a man" that is the problem, and it arises from patriarchy. It's not something aspirational or achievable, it isn't rooted in kindness and openness - a positive view which thankfully more men are embracing - but in the negative view, an entitled view, a hierarchical view, a "winner take all" zero-sum game.
If "being a man" means being the breadwinner, when some faceless corporation closes the plant you work at, your sense of manhood is diminished.
If "being a man" means being the stud who picks up only the hottest women in the club, if that isn't you, it diminishes your sense of manhood.
If "being a man" means having to put other people down to lift yourself up, constantly obsessed with your own relative status, always in competition with someone else, it's something you can never "win" and even "winning" doesn't feel good for long; you feel empty, lied to.
I could go on. But the point is that a significant subset of men are in deep conflict with cultural values given to them by their society or peer group, and it distorts their own self-image and self-esteem, and they often resort to self-harm (if they feel worthless) or harming others (if their ego defense has taken over to protect itself, projecting outwards).
It is these last points which are borne out, by statistics, as affecting men far more than women.
The conclusion I (and others) draw from this is that patriarchy hurts men just as much as it hurts women.
So, when I see people insisting on having a debate about International Women's Day as "pandering" -- It's not hard to read through that, to see someone who, underneath, may be genuinely hurting and feeling ignored, but instead of realizing that celebrating one group doesn't come at the expense of another -- zero-sum thinking -- they decide to feel attacked.
And then, they take it out on other people, instead of examining their own feelings in a productive way.
Such people are not unique in doing so, they seem to be following scripts (just probe 4chan and some corners of Reddit for the discussions)... which leads me to conclude their desire for a "debate" is not genuine, but rooted in bad faith.
Apologies if any of this is repetitive, but I hope you understand that my point is not against men, it is sympathetic to men trapped in a system and/or harmful values that have them reaching for an impossible-to-meet standard.
I think I've adequately explained my point of view.
If I were misandric and sexist, wouldn't I be:
- Telling you to go into the kitchen and make me a sandwich
- Convinced that there's no possibility men can become doctors because their brains are too small
- Saying a man couldn't be president because they're simply too emotional to be trusted with the nuclear button - heck, it's a miracle we allow them the right to vote
- Writing laws into effect so that men can't get their own credit cards or own property without permission from their wives / mothers
- Passing laws to prevent men from getting Viagra because that's interfering with God's plan, and
- Telling you "hey, it's a compliment!" when your female boss slaps you on the butt and insinuates, in front of her colleagues, that you're just here to provide visual appeal, and
- Firing you when you become a parent, and
- Paying you 75 cents on the dollar compared to your female colleagues
- Saying no to your business idea so you can never get a loan or VC funding
- Saying you must have done something to deserve that black eye from your wife
- As a doctor, never really taking your claims of pain and discomfort seriously, causing a systemic illness to be misdiagnosed, and you end up dying of some preventable disease?
What I in fact said was that we have to recognize is that patriarchy is a real thing, and it hurts men and women in different ways. If anything, my comments are about saving men from harmful, toxic culture and encouraging them to find a positive masculinity based on self-worth and kindness. (Yes, it's possible).
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Did I really? I in passing suggested that there is an alternative to thinking that "being a man" means behaving in ways that are harmful to oneself and others, and that kindness is a strength, not a weakness. If you think it's a weakness, it's because our culture has made men afraid to show emotion at all.
As Margaret Atwood once wrote: "Men are afraid of women laughing at them; women are afraid that men will kill them."
If you don't believe me, ask women!
No, no you have not. You still have not addressed this very Misandric and Sexist quote of yours in this very thread:
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