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Why not stagger the release???

anim8or

anim8or

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Why not stagger the release of 3.0 to ease congestion on Apple's servers and guarantee a reasonably smooth transition for Apple's customers?

Releasing it at the same time, simultaneously, worldwide is stupid, utterly moronic!

Agree or disagree?
 
anim8or said:
Why not stagger the release of 3.0 to ease congestion on Apple's servers and guarantee a reasonably smooth transition for Apple's customers?

Releasing it at the same time, simultaneously, worldwide is stupid, utterly moronic!

Agree or disagree?
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why the stores and download sites for different countries are served on different servers. Just like safari.
If te US was not given first priority I am sure many here would be whining up a storm
 
anim8or said:
Why not stagger the release of 3.0 to ease congestion on Apple's servers and guarantee a reasonably smooth transition for Apple's customers?

Releasing it at the same time, simultaneously, worldwide is stupid, utterly moronic!

Agree or disagree?
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Even if they did, the moment the link got out everyone would be downloading it anyway. I think the servers will be able to handle the load because some 2G users that are going to 3GS are likely to not bother with it.
 
bobsentell said:
Even if they did, the moment the link got out everyone would be downloading it anyway. I think the servers will be able to handle the load because some 2G users that are going to 3GS are likely to not bother with it.
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I disagree.... why would people not bother...?

Even if i was upgrading in a couple of days i would still wanna play with the new features just for the hell of it....

...of course thats just me but i would be surprised if many people didnt aggre with me on this point too....!?
 
I agree a staggered release would be better but people would be whining about not being a part of the first group to download it and like someone mentioned above, the download link would get out and kill the plan.

Let's hope the servers are OK and it all works out.
 
anim8or said:
I disagree.... why would people not bother...?

Even if i was upgrading in a couple of days i would still wanna play with the new features just for the hell of it....

...of course thats just me but i would be surprised if many people didnt aggre with me on this point too....!?
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I say this because my wife is getting a 3GS on friday and told me not to fool with updating her 2G. Of course, I'll be updating my 3G so my own theory doesn't work with me. But I have seen a few posts of people with 2G's not downloading the 3.0 software.
 
anim8or said:
I disagree.... why would people not bother...?

Even if i was upgrading in a couple of days i would still wanna play with the new features just for the hell of it....

...of course thats just me but i would be surprised if many people didnt aggre with me on this point too....!?
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You're right on this. I just saw a post where someone is selling their 3G iPhone because they're getting the new one and the buyer asked for it to remain at 2.2.1 but the seller wants to update it to 3.0. I'm sure it's not because of the goodness of his heart (the buyer made a specific request after all) but because he wants to play with it before he gets his 3G S.
 
bobsentell said:
I say this because my wife is getting a 3GS on friday and told me not to fool with updating her 2G. Of course, I'll be updating my 3G so my own theory doesn't work with me. But I have seen a few posts of people with 2G's not downloading the 3.0 software.
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Fair point then....

Surely though you should try and twist ur better half's arm into letting you take the 3GS and hand her down the 3G... LOL :D
 
Or this time they have paid for a third party CDN to carry the files globally :)
 
anim8or said:
Why not stagger the release of 3.0 to ease congestion on Apple's servers and guarantee a reasonably smooth transition for Apple's customers?

Releasing it at the same time, simultaneously, worldwide is stupid, utterly moronic!

Agree or disagree?
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Disagree.

It's already staggered in the sense that last year, Apple made the 2.0 software update available on the same day that the iPhone 3G launched. So by making the 3.0 software available BEFORE the iPhone launch this year, they are staggering.

Timezones cause some staggering anyway. IMO, the majority of Apple iPhone customers in the more eastern time zones are not going to stay up until the early morning hours waiting for it to become available. They'll wait until the following morning.

IMO, it's only a small percentage of the overall iPhone owner community that's "dying" to immediately get this software update. I think the vast majority is going to be made aware of this update when their iTunes notifies them, and by default, iTunes only checks once every seven days. So there's even more staggering built in for you. :)
 
aristobrat said:
Disagree.

It's already staggered in the sense that last year, Apple made the 2.0 software update available on the same day that the iPhone 3G launched. So by making the 3.0 software available BEFORE the iPhone launch this year, they are staggering.

Timezones cause some staggering anyway. IMO, the majority of Apple iPhone customers in the more eastern time zones are not going to stay up until the early morning hours waiting for it to become available. They'll wait until the following morning.

IMO, it's only a small percentage of the overall iPhone owner community that's "dying" to immediately get this software update. I think the vast majority is going to be made aware of this update when their iTunes notifies them, and by default, iTunes only checks once every seven days. So there's even more staggering built in for you. :)
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Where your point is reasonably valid I still do not think that the stagger u talk of is the appropriate amount of preparation for this update.

I would hope that the servers for activating new iphones on friday are different from the ones that update the firmware... but i can only hope!

After the fiasco of last year with everything acting as if Y2K was happening i would hope that all parties concerned have learned their lesson and have appropriately planned ahead for such sever hit on the servers....?
 
anim8or said:
Where your point is reasonably valid I still do not think that the stagger u talk of is the appropriate amount of preparation for this update.

I would hope that the servers for activating new iphones on friday are different from the ones that update the firmware... but i can only hope!

After the fiasco of last year with everything acting as if Y2K was happening i would hope that all parties concerned have learned their lesson and have appropriately planned ahead for such sever hit on the servers....?
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I think they did learn their lesson...in a way. Last year, 3G, 2.0, and MobileMe all released on the same day. This year, they are releasing 3.0 two days earlier than 3GS and the major MobileMe changes have already taken place.

Also, by allowing people to have the phones shipped to their house, they are spreading the load out throughout the day on friday.
 
I was just going to complain about this very thing myself. It seems we are on Cupertino time based on whenever that guy that pushes the button shows up to work at the office. You would think that it would certainly ease the server load if it were made available at like 9am EST. Excuse me foreign countries but this is just for demonstration sake. So PST still hasn't woken and the ease would be so much better rather than waiting on Cupertino time.
 
anim8or said:
I would hope that the servers for activating new iphones on friday are different from the ones that update the firmware... but i can only hope!
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Um, yeah. AT&T run the activation servers (go figure), and Apple takes care of the servers for distributing the update.

Of all of the update issues mentioned last year, "the update is downloading too slow" wasn't one that I remember.

reckless2k2 said:
You would think that it would certainly ease the server load if it were made available at like 9am EST.
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You talk like Apple uses one server instead of a content delivery network spread across the globe. :eek:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._to_fortify_booming_digital_download_biz.html
 
Why staggering wouldn't work.

Staggering wouldn't work, it would actually make things worse! Have you seen all the threads about the June 18th release on the Singapore Apple site? What does that tell you? That everyone has access to the different countries Apple sites.

Therefore, once the first "staggered" location went live (Russia I believe), everyone would be on the Russian Apple site overloading those servers.

The best way is to release it simultaneously, globally, that way everyone can download from their own countries servers.
 
I think there's a huge diference between last time there was a major release (2.0) and this time. Last time, Apple was doing three things at once:

1. Releasing 2.0
2. Accommodating millions of activation requests for the iPhone 3G
3. Launching MobileMe

The combination of these three things is what made last year's situation so catastrophic. This year, there's a lot going in Apple's favor. For one: they are staggering the official release of the iPhone 3G S two days out from the release of 3.0 to existing iPhones. Second, the new features on MobileMe are already running on their servers, so there's no major hiccup likely there. And third, I would expect Apple has managed to add significant server and bandwidth capacity since a year ago.

I'm not in any particular rush to get 3.0. If things crash and I don't get it today, oh well. I'll have it on Friday when my 3G S arrives.
 
If the update was staggered, there would be proxy servers up in a matter of seconds that would allow people to download from different time zones. :apple:
 
Oman said:
If the update was staggered, there would be proxy servers up in a matter of seconds that would allow people to download from different time zones. :apple:
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Not to nitpick, but that's not proxying, that's called mirroring the files.

Last year they released 2.0 and the iPhone 3g all at the same time and had server issues if i recall correctly. This year they are releasing 3.0 2 days prior to the phone launch. So, they are staggering, in a way.
 
I'm not bothering to update because I'm getting the 3G S on Friday, and I ahve this one up on eBay as unlocked.
 
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