Why so much hate for the new iMac?

[Mike in Kansas]

At least everyone except Apple is willing to innovate, and whatever these other companies come up with that turns out well, Apple will just copy and all the fans will pretend Apple invented it. It's been years since Apple's come up with any innovation on any product except "make it thinner and more crippled" or "add more pixels and don't worry about performance".

And what do you mean by not expecting blu-ray or HDTV? Do you mean it would be nice to have but another tradeoff you're willing to make to be another iSheep? Or it's another gimmick that's not worth having? It's sad that your dismissals of the competition have become so flippant it's not even clear how you're dismissing them.

I'm trying to figure out if you are actually serious, or just pulling our leg. If you are serious, this has to be the biggest steaming pile of wrong that I've seen in a long time...

 

[Oracle1729]

A GTX 680 simply cannot go into an all in one. Simple, it'd have to go into th Mac Pro

Okay....So how does that explain why can't I have a mac desktop with a relatively cheap modern consumer video card in it as well as modern features like USB3 and Thunderbolt.

Even if the pro were updated, I can put the GTX 680 in a $500 PC that can take full advantage of it. Why can't apple do it under $3000? I really don't care for server grade CPU's. And the GTX 680 really isn't a server class component, I'd like a consumer CPU with my consumer video card.

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I don't loose a ton of performance without an OD, in fact I get rid of stuff I never use. If you loose a ton of performance without the OD, then probably you are not a power user, because OD has nothing to do with performance.

That was 3 separate items I listed that you lose, performance and the optical drive were two of them. If you have to twist my words that badly you already know you've lost the debate. Really no point in reading the rest of your post if you're that dishonest, you'll say any lie and twist any fact to suit your pre-determined conclusion.

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Yes in those "years" that Apple hasn't innovated in your eyes their stock has doubled, their cash holding have doubled, their sales have increased faster than the PC market.

Yesirree they are obviously doing something wrong.

Since when has innovation in the market ever been linked to profit? There's so many examples of brilliant innovation that led to bankruptcy for the innovator (FM radio is a good one), while someone else who stole the idea made all the profit (RCA).

Microsoft was one of the least innovative companies in the world when they were the most valuable company int he world. They'd win the courtrooms and outspend everyone on advertising while not actually doing anything new. They'd sue any good idea out of existence to keep people buying their same old crap. Same with apple as the most valuable company in the world.

 

[karpich1]

Okay....So how does that explain why can't I have a mac desktop with a relatively cheap modern consumer video card in it as well as modern features like USB3 and Thunderbolt.

It's a valid complaint that Apple does not offer a really strong Desktop (non-All-in-One) with a solid High-End gaming desktop-class Video Card. In other words: it's a valid complaint to say they've really given the Mac Pro the shaft.


But some users are explicitly complaining that Apple didn't stick a Desktop-class GPU in the iMac. I can't tell if you were one of them since I don't feel like reading the older posts.

But those people are silly. Even before they stuck the corset on the new 2012 iMac, All-In-Ones are too small to be able to handle the heat-output of high-end Desktop-class GPUs. They generate a lot of heat. Heck, even the desktop nVidia 660 (a mid-range card) requires taking up two slots so it can vent its heat out.

You can only fit so much heat-generating stuff into a super-small enclosure without it screwing something up. And with the LED screen right there, you don't want to mess that up either.


So, yeh... rage against the machine that Apple isn't giving the Mac Pro any love. You're not alone, and it is crazy that it's been this long.

But for the people whining about the iMac not getting the Desktop GPU they were all expecting (for some reason)... take a chill pill. And if it's any consilation, the 680MX is "supposedly" going to in the general realm of being close to a desktop-class GPU (in mobile form). But only in the larger 27" case, and even then we're just guessing based on paper specs.

 

[nagareru]

That was 3 separate items I listed that you lose, performance and the optical drive were two of them. If you have to twist my words that badly you already know you've lost the debate. Really no point in reading the rest of your post if you're that dishonest, you'll say any lie and twist any fact to suit your pre-determined conclusion.

I quoted your whole post and you only mentioned the 3.5" drive bay and OD and I addressed both. You will never have a relative cheap Mac with a desktop GPU. Its been always that way, since the very first Mac. You can keep crying all you want. Get a windows pc, be happy.

 

[the8thark]

I'm a total newbie to this forum. Did the last iMac release not have as many complaints? or was it about the same as this go around?

I'd say slightly less. The only really big gripe people had on the 2011 iMacs was no USB 3.

 

[adildacoolset]

Okay....So how does that explain why can't I have a mac desktop with a relatively cheap modern consumer video card in it as well as modern features like USB3 and Thunderbolt.

Even if the pro were updated, I can put the GTX 680 in a $500 PC that can take full advantage of it. Why can't apple do it under $3000? I really don't care for server grade CPU's. And the GTX 680 really isn't a server class component, I'd like a consumer CPU with my consumer video card.

Look, I'm totalling about the iMac. For those kinds of questions you have to email Tim cook

 

[Lancer]

If you want a cheep Mac then get the Mini...

Apple is not in the business of supply a dozen different models, they have clear product plans.

 

[N10248]

I think i've just bought the last 21.5" 2011 iMac in the UK - spend 3 days looking for one and Argos in Southend had 1 left, YAY...

This will most likely be my last Mac - unless the new Mac Pros start at under £1000 which is unlikely

 

[blanka]

Apple is not in the business of supply a dozen different models, they have clear product plans.

They HAD clear product plans. Now the fastest desktop in our Mac store is a Mini, I am really puzzled (no they don't have 12 core MacPros on stock).

 

[HurryKayne]

Simple: because Apple doesn't offer a basic tower.

A lot of folks who use desktop computers do so because they need processor power, graphics power, or both. Desktop towers offer the most bang for the buck on this point, along with expansion through easy access to the drives, RAM and graphics systems, plus PCI-Express.

The Mac Mini is a basic computer. The Mac Pro is overpriced, outdated and underpowered compared to the i7 in all but a few specialist tasks. That just leaves the iMac for power users, and Apple is increasingly forcing them to buy the top-end model and front-load all the upgrades.

If you need the power of a desktop but not the 27" IPS screen, you can get a PC i7 or Xeon for $800-$1000 less. That's a hell of a premium for the advantage of using MacOS X.

You're right Osx costs..but..during last week,the one before Apple's event,
i tried to configure three windows machine and it was a pain ...download,unoack,install,update,reboot...,well i found my time worths the Apple price and the new Imac its absolutely gorgeous and powerful to work easily as i need and for gaming?..next Xbox720 and my beloved 360 are pleasing me more than enough.

 

[I8P'CS]

I think i've just bought the last 21.5" 2011 iMac in the UK - spend 3 days looking for one and Argos in Southend had 1 left, YAY...

This will most likely be my last Mac - unless the new Mac Pros start at under £1000 which is unlikely

Wow your 2012 iMac looks stunning, I can't tell the difference from the 2011 model.

Sarcasm

Good machine

EDIT

Why did you decide to go with 2011 model if you don't mind me asking?!? I have one it's a beast of a machine.

 

[bflowers]

And the lack of cd drive is a disadvantage– for the minority. Seriously, for most people, CDs are used very unoften.

And so is grammar!

I use my ODD at least once a week. That doesn't seem unoften to me. I'm not even a professional that would need to burn data to media to give clients. I simply use it for normal stuff. Playing or ripping CDs, DVDs, and backing up my photo library for off site storage. When the cloud can give me affordable off site storage for the same cost as a spindle of DVDs, we can talk.

 

[N10248]

Wow your 2012 iMac looks stunning, I can't tell the difference from the 2011 model.

Sarcasm

Good machine

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Why did you decide to go with 2011 model if you don't mind me asking?!? I have one it's a beast of a machine.

The new ones cost more and you get less, I NEED Firewire and a DVD drive.

 

[flopticalcube]

They HAD clear product plans. Now the fastest desktop in our Mac store is a Mini, I am really puzzled (no they don't have 12 core MacPros on stock).

Oh no... they still have clear plans. Clearly, their plan is to drive people locked into the OS X environment into the most profitable machine they can. That would be either top-spec mini or top-spec iMac.

 

[I8P'CS]

The new ones cost more and you get less, I NEED Firewire and a DVD drive.

Yep agreed. Good machine as I said before. Enjoy

 

[forty2j]

The new ones cost more and you get less, I NEED Firewire and a DVD drive.

Given that you can accomplish both of these with a total of about $90 in accessories on the new one, and the new one gets you a better CPU and a much better GPU, saying "you get less" is highly misleading.

 

[Oracle1729]

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But some users are explicitly complaining that Apple didn't stick a Desktop-class GPU in the iMac. I can't tell if you were one of them since I don't feel like reading the older posts.

My position is I'd like to see some sort of super-mini based on desktop parts and as big as needed to accommodate them.

I've made comments about putting desktop parts in the iMac, but honestly, I hate everything about the AIO form factor. I'd probably buy one if they did make it a true desktop class computer, but I'd much rather it not be built into the monitor.

 

[N10248]

Given that you can accomplish both of these with a total of about $90 in accessories on the new one, and the new one gets you a better CPU and a much better GPU, saying "you get less" is highly misleading.

If I need real CPU / GPU power I use my 3570K / HD7970 PC that sits next to my iMac.

Plus there's no guarantee the firewire adapter would power my DV capture equipment as a lot of people have said it can't power some BUS POWERED drives and devices. the 7200 RPM drive was also 50% of the decision.

I regularly burn DVDs and i don't want a separate drive on my desk, I consider it the only permanent backup method, and anything important gets put on DVD as well as other drives.

Plus the new iMac is not available yet.

 

[Lancer]

The new ones cost more and you get less, I NEED Firewire and a DVD drive.

Here the base 21.5" is just $30 more, the top 27" is actually $100 less... which I guess pays for the ext DVD so it comes out about the same. I don't need FW.

Also with the 2011 technically can't you still run Snow Leopard if you want since it was originally released before Lion last year?

 

[N10248]

Here the base 21.5" is just $30 more, the top 27" is actually $100 less... which I guess pays for the ext DVD so it comes out about the same. I don't need FW.

Also with the 2011 technically can't you still run Snow Leopard if you want since it was originally released before Lion last year?

Thats another reason for the purchase, as soon as I run into something i don't like in Mountain Lion i'm going to clone my 24" iMac's drive onto this one, and carry on as before in Snow Leopard.

So far everything seems to be working, as it did in SL although some things are annoying like the new gestures and the removal of web sharing / apache - took ages to get it working again via terminal.


EDIT:

After 2 freezes on the login screen and mail crashing and safari being awful and gestures being awkward and slow shutdowns and quite a few other annoyances, I've cloned my 10.6.8 C2D iMac on to this one and its much faster. Even an old cluttered install of SL is faster then a new install of ML! - Now i'm really glad i got an old one and not the ML only new one.

This will officially be my last Mac, by the time this one dies, i should have moved my workflow over to windows.

 

[Stan Mikulenka]

Hi guys,
here are some alternatives from H-P:
As you can see one is called "Spectre~One"
The rest is an AIO "Z1 Workstation"...
You can see how easy it's to open the thing & change the parts...

 

[Mad Sativa]

It's pretty obvious where the hate comes from. It's not really a apple issue per-say, but more likely a $$$$$$$ issue (personal)

 

[Whackman]

Have been thinking about the iMac the last couple of days. I'm not buying it.
Migh still consider the awesome new Mac Mini.

Apple, you are neglecting the creative proffessionals in lots of areas of work.

 

[Lancer]

Hi guys,
here are some alternatives from H-P:
As you can see one is called "Spectre~One"
The rest is an AIO "Z1 Workstation"...
You can see how easy it's to open the thing & change the parts...

Yes you can easily open the Z1 Workstation but it's over priced and no cheaper than the equivalent and much better looking iMac.

 

[TopB]

Yes you can easily open the Z1 Workstation but it's over priced and no cheaper than the equivalent and much better looking iMac.

Plus it does not have a "Gamer" type GPU and you have to call India for support lol.