Why the new iMac sucks so much!

[brucethemoose]

Again you have no intention of making any sense. You should stick to music...you probably know more about than that you do about computer technology.
Goosfroba, chill mate I'm the angry guy here, not you

^^

I've actually met an audio producer before. From what little I saw, he seemed tech savvy enough.


Also, totally agree with first post, this manufacturer thinness fetish is like cancer, and it's spread to the iMac. While (somewhat) reasonable in small laptops, all it does it make bigger computers worse. Odd too... Apple tends to be relatively independent and pro-user, but this is a step in the opposite direction.

 

[lzyprson]

I'd love to shock you with some vfx shots from feature films that were done on iMacs

The iMacs don't work as pro level machines for everyone, but they're more than fast enough to run a good number of pro apps for a lot of folks (animators and designers included).

Most design apps will run quite capably on a mini or Mac laptop these days as well as the iMac.

Totally agree fig. They're certainly high caliber desktops... I've seen stellar work that came from an imac. But at the emd of the day they're no Mac Pro.

 

[12dylan34]

I'd love to shock you with some vfx shots from feature films that were done on iMacs

The iMacs don't work as pro level machines for everyone, but they're more than fast enough to run a good number of pro apps for a lot of folks (animators and designers included).

Most design apps will run quite capably on a mini or Mac laptop these days as well as the iMac.

There was a guy on here that I interacted with a few months ago that said he did compositing for movies like the Green Lantern on his rMBP, so the iMac being faster than that is certainly capable of such tasks.

Most 3D program rendered plates are mostly completed on PC workstations and rendered on Linux or PC servers, though.

 

[masp84]

This thread and the OP just cracks me up. I've owned almost every generation iMac an in no shape or form has th
e iMac been labeled as a pro caliber machine. If anything it's "pro-sumer" but that's pushing it a bit.

Given that your logic reasoning sux. I'm willing to bet your music producing skills sux as well.

Want a pro level Mac? Get a Mac Pro. Can't afford a Mac Pro? Not our problem. Apple doesn't revolve around high caliber audio and video with their iMacs. I have yet to see a top level producer use an iMac for production whether it be pre or post. My friend graduated from Full Sail and he even said iMacs are not a go to tool for audio.

There's nothing wrong with the new iMac. There's something wrong with YOU.

BTW, what did Apple say about the letter you wrote them? LMAO.

Then you complain about the economy and nuke the f!ck out of other countries, comments like this makes me sick as an american.

Full Sail is utter crap compared to Berkeley, I work with 2 great producers and our company now has 6 grammy's and 2 nominations this year, one with my name on it hope we win. We own two iMacs i7 3.4 for arranging, tracking and pre-mixing. We do have a Mac Pro hooked to all the gear in the control room for final mix touches that we're thinking on selling as UAD (our favorite DSP provider) now offers USB3 X-cards so no need for PCIe, also they've released an awesome thunderbolt Interface we're about to try out. We were really looking forward this refresh hoping it will support our Lynx Aurora AD/DA just perfectly as the current model, but the lack FW800, ODD, and HDD choices signified a major hit. We only use 16 API channels for tracking drumkits, that's the top count for real time recording. Mixing usually takes 60-80 tracks. The iMacs take it very well while the MP collects dust waiting for the final mix... it's not efficient but Apple and Avid force you into it.

I was in the market for an iMac to be a part of my new home studio. Where I work they're set for MAC's no matter the cost because they pay for themselves; that's not the case for core consumers and neither Apple's fault I reckon. Btw, the only thing wrong with me is that I'm aware I'm not rich so I have to make the wiser choices when buying hardware.

What did they say about the letter? well they were forced to do a paper release because of the many complains so I think I added my grain of sand in that matter, you seated down like a good dog.

I wanna add something, the PC case concept is most likely bound to disappear, but that doesn't mean that a desktop should become a tablet on a stick in terms of flexibility neither justify the pricing of gear because of performance offered and not actual market costs. I agree with the design premium cost, to pay for OSx, iTunes songs, Logic Pro, and other cool apps. Hardware OTOH, is a sinister game they force you to play.

Bless you mate

 

[fig]

Totally agree fig. They're certainly high caliber desktops... I've seen stellar work that came from an imac. But at the emd of the day they're no Mac Pro.

Absolutely agree. I just think that a lot of folks overrate the horsepower they need and, in many cases, don't really need the power of a Mac Pro.

There was a guy on here that I interacted with a few months ago that said he did compositing for movies like the Green Lantern on his rMBP, so the iMac being faster than that is certainly capable of such tasks.

Most 3D program rendered plates are mostly completed on PC workstations and rendered on Linux or PC servers, though.

I know one guy in particular that did shots a few years ago for I Am Legend, the X-men sequel, and some other pretty well known films working on an iMac, some of the smaller VFX houses have a range of software and hardware they use.

Generally speaking though you're absolutely correct, the big houses are mostly on linux networks and you won't find many Macs.

When you have a chance just for fun, google the "Rebel Mac Unit". Some really cool stories

 

[3lutz3toe]

This is in regard to the poster who claims that profession audio producers need to just fork up the money and get the Mac pro.
There's a range of professionals in any industry that have different budgets and limits. An audio producer who works for Disney, yeah, can fork up any amounts of cash. But there are many great ones that don't have unlimited amounts of cash and have to work with a limited budget.
—And Apple seem to be neglecting this segment of prosumers!

I find the arrogance in many of these posts who come to Apple defense when it is almost non-defensible anymore!

 

[fig]

This is in regard to the poster who claims that profession audio producers need to just fork up the money and get the Mac pro.
There's a range of professionals in any industry that have different budgets and limits. An audio producer who works for Disney, yeah, can fork up any amounts of cash. But there are many great ones that don't have unlimited amounts of cash and have to work with a limited budget.
—And Apple seem to be neglecting this segment of prosumers!

I find the arrogance in many of these posts who come to Apple defense when it is almost non-defensible anymore!

Honest question: has Apple ever made the machine you're looking for? Because if it's not an iMac I don't think they really have.

 

[xgman]

Totally agree fig. They're certainly high caliber desktops... I've seen stellar work that came from an imac. But at the emd of the day they're no Mac Pro.

Well unless they update the current Mac Pro soon, they are theoretically almost there, with a top of the line 2013 imac in terms of "overall" performance, aside from the 4 core limit.

 

[Slow Programmer]

There was a guy on here that I interacted with a few months ago that said he did compositing for movies like the Green Lantern on his rMBP, so the iMac being faster than that is certainly capable of such tasks.

Most 3D program rendered plates are mostly completed on PC workstations and rendered on Linux or PC servers, though.

Since the Green Lantern was released a full year before the rMBP something seems not quite right there.

 

[12dylan34]

Since the Green Lantern was released a full year before the rMBP something seems not quite right there.

I guess you're right...Maybe I misunderstood him, though and he was talking about how he did Green Lantern in the past, but he's now doing compositing work for another movie on his rMBP. The exchange is in my post history ~a few months ago if you care to look.

 

[masp84]

Honest question: has Apple ever made the machine you're looking for? Because if it's not an iMac I don't think they really have.

iMac 2011, although we wanted Ivy Bridge earlier. And thinnes answered a question no one asked for either.

 

[ihuman:D]

Then you complain about the economy and nuke the f!ck out of other countries, comments like this makes me sick as an american.

Full Sail is utter crap compared to Berkeley, I work with 2 great producers and our company now has 6 grammy's and 2 nominations this year, one with my name on it hope we win. We own two iMacs i7 3.4 for arranging, tracking and pre-mixing. We do have a Mac Pro hooked to all the gear in the control room for final mix touches that we're thinking on selling as UAD (our favorite DSP provider) now offers USB3 X-cards so no need for PCIe, also they've released an awesome thunderbolt Interface we're about to try out. We were really looking forward this refresh hoping it will support our Lynx Aurora AD/DA just perfectly as the current model, but the lack FW800, ODD, and HDD choices signified a major hit. We only use 16 API channels for tracking drumkits, that's the top count for real time recording. Mixing usually takes 60-80 tracks. The iMacs take it very well while the MP collects dust waiting for the final mix... it's not efficient but Apple and Avid force you into it.

I was in the market for an iMac to be a part of my new home studio. Where I work they're set for MAC's no matter the cost because they pay for themselves; that's not the case for core consumers and neither Apple's fault I reckon. Btw, the only thing wrong with me is that I'm aware I'm not rich so I have to make the wiser choices when buying hardware.

What did they say about the letter? well they were forced to do a paper release because of the many complains so I think I added my grain of sand in that matter, you seated down like a good dog.

I wanna add something, the PC case concept is most likely bound to disappear, but that doesn't mean that a desktop should become a tablet on a stick in terms of flexibility neither justify the pricing of gear because of performance offered and not actual market costs. I agree with the design premium cost, to pay for OSx, iTunes songs, Logic Pro, and other cool apps. Hardware OTOH, is a sinister game they force you to play.

Bless you mate

Dramatic much?

 

[kazmac]

I'm with you. I've decided to give up the dream of being able to use After Effects CS6's ray-trace render engine (Nvidia card with 1GB VRAM required) on my home computer, and will likely settle for the 2012 Mac Mini with 2.6Ghz Quad-Core i7, 16GB of RAM from Crucial, and either a Fusion drive or a self-installed SSD. I'm just waiting to see the performance results for the Fusion drive before making a decision.

I have the old 24" Apple LED Display already, which I was going to pair with a 21.5" iMac, but Apple has deliberately crippled the 21.5" iMacs in ways that make the price no longer justifiable. The Mac Mini will do just fine until the 15" MacBook Pro with Retina Display delivers better bang for the buck in the future.


Fusion drives should have been standard across the board; that would have made this generation of iMacs seem more next-generation, eliminated the performance downgrade that the 5400RPM drives will cause, and justify the $100 price increase Apple executed across the lower 3 models.

Hope the 2012 Mac Mini is everything you need it to be. I agree with you about the Fusion drives being standard, especially when it comes to that price increase.

 

[ABG]

Everything you say is absolutely true, BUT...

Think how marvelous it is for it to be THINNER.

Thinner is GOD. Too bad about the actual users... THINNER!

So important for a non-portable desktop machine seen from the front.

Think of it as a 27" iPad with no touch screen.

I was really looking forward to finally having USB3 on a new iMac, but this isn't the computer I'm looking for, so the next machine will probably be a PC.

 

[drxcm]

Think of it as a 27" iPad with no touch screen.

I was really looking forward to finally having USB3 on a new iMac, but this isn't the computer I'm looking for, so the next machine will probably be a PC.

The new iMac does have USB3

 

[53x12]

The new iMac does have USB3

He was saying he wants/was looking forward to USB 3 on his next computer. However unfortunately the new iMac is not that computer and he will have to look elsewhere.

 

[ABG]

He was saying he wants/was looking forward to USB 3 on his next computer. However unfortunately the new iMac is not that computer and he will have to look elsewhere.

Yes.

The benefit of finally getting some old tech (USB3) added to the iMac has been negated by the insane drive to make everything thinner by dropping things Apple says you don't need. Such as the ability to import content by a route other than iTunes. So I'm jumping off the Apple bandwagon next time it comes to buy a new computer.

I love my iToys, but I also want computers I can modestly upgrade (HDD and RAM), that have powerful graphics.

As a buyer I'm looking for hardware that will do what I want, not what Apple say I should need.

 

[Siderz]

Yes, all tablets run Nvidia Kepler GPUs and Intel desktop quad core CPUs!

The iPad 3 and above is quad-core.

Not Intel, but still quad-core.

 

[TechyRod]

not impressed with the lineup, everthing looks amazing but other then that im just not as happy as i thought i would have been. Ill soon be buying a refurb 15inch MBP,as im just not intrested in the NEWER lineup apple has provided.

 

[mapleleafer]

Thankfully I don't need a new computer. My 2009 is still chugging along nicely, with its Firewire port for my Firewire external HD, and its ODD for my DVDs, and its disgustingly obese edges that I can't see.

 

[masp84]

Well that fact that the 21" model hasn't even been released yet raises a lot of questions....

 

[Icaras]

Well that fact that the 21" model hasn't even been released yet raises a lot of questions....

No, no it doesn't. It's still the month of November.

 

[masp84]

No, no it doesn't. It's still the month of November.

I can see all the apples on your signature... busted

 

[Icaras]

I can see all the apples on your signature... busted

And will add another when the 21.5" comes out this month

Don't forget the avatar too lol.

 

[masp84]

And will add another when the 21.5" comes out this month

Don't forget the avatar too lol.

Enjoy you new apple mate!! btw it just came to my mind that a bitten apple was what Eva gave to Adam it was just a curious and funny thought not to be taken seriously.