Why there will not be an iPhone 4s - A thread using logic and not baseless claims!

[RafaelT]

Well that's great but it's also pretty silly. "The name sounds stupid." Yeah, that's evidence it won't come to fruition.

OP, your problem is you seem to be thinking that the 4S is the lower based model. I don't think that makes any sense and people making that case are dead wrong. The 3GS was a better 3G iPhone. The 4S would instead become the next iPhone, not the iPhone 5.

There seems to be this rumor/line of thinking that there will be 2 models available this fall: 4S and iPhone 5. That's where people are making a mistake (I think).

All this talk of a lower based model is just going to be the iPhone 4. Perhaps they will only offer the iP4 in one variety at one price, but that makes sense as the lower priced offering. Instead the "better" model this fall would be the 4S. That model will have the internal updates and perhaps a slightly tweaked design, but ultimately will look a great deal like the iPhone 4.

Again, I don't want that to happen, but I think there is a stronger case that can be made that that is what will happen vs. a redesigned iPhone.

I did not imply anywhere in anything that I wrote that just because I did not like the name of the 3GS that it was evidence that it would not exist. I just didn't like the name. So you might want to read what I wrote a little more carefully.

I don't know what the "4S" is. All I am saying is that there will not be two new phones being launched. Only one, whatever they call it. And I feel that their manufacturing capacity as of right now backs up that theory. We will have the iPhone 4 and whatever new phone they come out with.

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Since when did applied logic become relevant ?

lol

 

[iSee]

Did we need a whole new thread specifically for discussion of your opinion though? I'm sure this could have been posted to one of those existing threads.

I was hoping you would just append your comments to one of your existing comments rather than create a whole new one for an off-topic, unhelpful response.


OP, I don't think channel logistics are a reason Apple would to continue to sell iPhone 4 vs. iPhone 4s.
It's a matter of having the lead time to plan make make the manufacturing deals. Apple can but as much manufacturing capability as they want. When supplies are constrained it's either due to unexpectly low yields on critical parts or because they didn't buy enough capacity to meet demand. They can but more but it takes time.

BTW, I'm don't believe in the idea of iPhone 4S as a faster, better and cheaper iPhone 4. (Well, not unless it comes out much later than iPhone 5.)
A low-end iPhone would be cheaper but not faster and better.

 

[Ramio]

I was hoping you would just append your comments to one of your existing comments rather than create a whole new one for an off-topic, unhelpful response.


OP, I don't think channel logistics are a reason Apple would to continue to sell iPhone 4 vs. iPhone 4s.
It's a matter of having the lead time to plan make make the manufacturing deals. Apple can but as much manufacturing capability as they want. When supplies are constrained it's either due to unexpectly low yields on critical parts or because they didn't buy enough capacity to meet demand. They can but more but it takes time.

BTW, I'm don't believe in the idea of iPhone 4S as a faster, better and cheaper iPhone 4. (Well, not unless it comes out much later than iPhone 5.)
A low-end iPhone would be cheaper but not faster and better.

Well said!. The fact that it's faster with an 8mp camera points towards the fact that it's the next iphone and not a cheaper version otherwise it would be slower or the same at the most.

 

[cyks]

BTW, I'm don't believe in the idea of iPhone 4S as a faster, better and cheaper iPhone 4. (Well, not unless it comes out much later than iPhone 5.)
A low-end iPhone would be cheaper but not faster and better.

It very easily could be cheaper to manufacture and buy a slightly lower clocked A5 for the 4S in mass quantity instead of having a facility stuck making the A4.

The same could be said about the 8MP camera... where they could get a much better price if they were to use the same one for both phones and order that many more.

If that is the case, then the low end phone would be both cheaper and faster and better.

 

[blairh]

I did not imply anywhere in anything that I wrote that just because I did not like the name of the 3GS that it was evidence that it would not exist. I just didn't like the name. So you might want to read what I wrote a little more carefully.

I don't know what the "4S" is. All I am saying is that there will not be two new phones being launched. Only one, whatever they call it. And I feel that their manufacturing capacity as of right now backs up that theory. We will have the iPhone 4 and whatever new phone they come out with.

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lol

You are correct. My first comment was directed at the person writing post #3 of this thread. You did not write that.

I actually agree with you. It would be odd to release a 4S iPhone and iPhone 5.

(What I'm guessing). iPhone 4 still available but it becomes the lower-end model (what the 3GS is right now). A newer iPhone is either called the 4S or iPhone 5 and is a complete redesign OR an iPhone 4 with a tweaked antenna design and simply an internal/camera upgrade.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next iPhone is a complete redesign or simply a spec bump.

 

[RafaelT]

I was hoping you would just append your comments to one of your existing comments rather than create a whole new one for an off-topic, unhelpful response.


OP, I don't think channel logistics are a reason Apple would to continue to sell iPhone 4 vs. iPhone 4s.
It's a matter of having the lead time to plan make make the manufacturing deals. Apple can but as much manufacturing capability as they want. When supplies are constrained it's either due to unexpectly low yields on critical parts or because they didn't buy enough capacity to meet demand. They can but more but it takes time.

+1 to the first part of your post!

As for the second part of your post.. Your 100% right, they just need enough lead time to plan and make the deals. But here is what I am getting at...

Is there another manufacturer at this point in time that can keep the quality up to Apples standards and still do the Volume that they would require from one of their manufacturing partners? Money can buy pretty much anything but it can't always make it happen right away. The latest rumors were that they were adding Pagetron as a second manufacturer.

"Interestingly, the report notes that while Pegatron has reportedly been tabbed to handle about 15% of the iPhone 5 production load, the company may not begin deliveries until next year. "

Given the demand that we are going to see for the iPhone 5, if they were available why would that not already be online churning out phones?

This leads me to believe that the iPhone supply chain is maxed out.

Apple is a master at the supply chain, but even they can't pull capacity out of thin air, that takes time. I think it is safe to say that even Apple was a bit surprised at how well the iPhone 4 sold. Even if they started planning and realized they needed more capacity right after the launch of the iPhone 4, it may just not be available yet.

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You are correct. My first comment was directed at the person writing post #3 of this thread. You did not write that.

Gotcha, sorry!