Why There Won't Be Flash on the iPad

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Sketh, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Sketh macrumors 6502

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    Just saying.

    But in all seriousness, I'll agree with Flash being the biggest reason my computer has issues, 9 times out of 10 If something goes wrong in Firefox or Chrome, Flash is to blame.
     
  2. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    OMG you didn't get to see that super cool ad! Your missing out dude, 95% of the 70% were missing is advertising, I'm not sure I can make it without those or not. I can only hope all those advertisers figure out how to convert their informative ads to HTML5 then we can enjoy their profound wit. :eek:

    I would hate to see all those dancing people get fired because were not able to view their work :(
     
  3. Sketh thread starter macrumors 6502

    Sketh

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    UGH I KNOW.

    HOW will I EVER get my daily fix of Dog Food ads, or seeing if I have diabetes!?
     
  4. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    Oh damn... maybe I should rethink this entire flash debate... it could save my life :eek:
     
  5. mtnDewFTW macrumors 6502a

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    Don't care.
    I'm glad it's not on the iPad. All Flash ever doe sis make things slower.
    Adobe really need to get their heads out of their asses and make Flash not such a pain in the ass to use.
    iPad doesn't even really need flash. Seeing how so many sites are already optimized just for the iPhone, same will happen with the iPad. Also, every major website out there already has an app in the App Store that you could just download and use, which will be suitable for the iPad, obviously.
     
  6. grahamtearne macrumors regular

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    Lol, I find it funny when people pull these numbers out their heads and pretend to themselves that flash isnt needed. Yes its slow and buggy and is used for ads but come on without it there is no:
    BBC
    HULU
    NFL.com
    ESPN
    NHL.com
    NBA.com
    Justin.tv
    Ustream
    Disney

    I really could go on, people say its useless and they dont use it, well I think more use it than those that don't.

    Look at sports fans, nfl.com is useless without flash, cant visit anything, cant see any video, cant see the gamecenter etc, you are forced to use the wap version of the site which is crap on a mobile, its going to look pathetic on a 10inch screen!

    I have an Archos 5g which supports flash 9. Its hard enough getting sites that use 9 now but even flash 9 does help a bit, I could head to espn and use their NFL gamecenters as they used flash 9. Wont even be able to get that without any flash at all.

    I know people are sick of the flash debate but just because YOU dont use flash doesnt mean you represent the majority!
     
  7. ScaryRobot macrumors member

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    At least half of these have iPhone-compatable versions or iPhone apps.

    But this is precisely the problem. When 99% of personnel computing consisted of three desktop platforms (and 98% consisted of two platforms), a proprietary browser plugin being treated as basic web infrastructure was not ideal, but it was workable. When you have at least a half dozen different operating systems running on various embedded devices with all sorts of different form factors and hardware capabilities, the whole thing falls apart.

    Because Flash is proprietary, Adobe has to port and maintain it for every platform, and platform vendors themselves are helpless if Adobe doesn't feel like porting it, or their port has performance or stability problems, or Adobe gets tired of updating it.

    Adobe might port Flash to Android or whatever and string things along a little bit longer, but the the writing is on the wall: Flash doesn't really have a place on the multi-vendor, multi-device, post-desktop web. Apple is just hurrying its inevitable demise along.
     
  8. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Many of the sites that choke on iPhone Safari now realize that and provide their content in app form. So you have the option of replacing your bookmarks with pages and pages of home-screen icons.
     
  9. skinnylegs macrumors 65816

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    Yeah...it's pretty obvious that people give a fat rat's arse bout Flash given the robust iPhone sales.

    Numbers talk and geek gibberish walks. The *vast* majority of people could care less whether or not they have Flash on their mobile device. Feel free to join the real world.
     
  10. marksman macrumors 603

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    People have to understand that the content providers have more to lose. It is hard to make money running websites, especially based on advertising. The primary method is getting as many views and ad click throughs as possible.

    The less people you are available to, the less chance you have to make money. Sites go to extraordinary lengths to get viewers. Getting away from flash is not hard, so unless they are lazy or incompetent there is no reason to change. They are costing themselves more revenue than Apple is costing themselves.
     
  11. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    75 million using the iPhone have survived without it, why? because there are apps to send content to the iPhone and iPad will use them as well. (as stated numerous times on multiple tech blogs)

    BBC
    HULU
    NFL.com
    ESPN
    NHL.com
    NBA.com
    Justin.tv
    Ustream
    Disney

    Those listed in bold already have at least one if not numerous apps to cover their content. Disney as well, although not sure what content your interested in.

    BBC has a few apps, not video atm.

    Hulu has already stated they will be developing an iPhone app, and now in a recent interview mention they will not overlook any mobile platform.

    NHL - lots of apps related to the sport, NBA has full on "Season Pass", NFL working on it, I'm sure they will follow if they want to keep fans happy.

    Justin.tv - lol seriously no one cares.

    Disney - Have several apps, games, etc.. they already develop for the iPhone I'm sure it will expand on the iPad.

    You might want to do 2 mins worth of research before just listing off the sites you think are not supported. Many are and their are tons of apps for content on the most popular site. Hulu is probably the only one on the list not supported that may even effect someone buying decision, but I doubt it.

    As for the percentages, yes I did pull those out of my A$$ just like every flash supporter says we will miss 50, 60 or 70% of the web. Hulu is flash based, but streaming Video can be done with HTML5, the graphics and animation is where flash has the upper hand, but as I stated 95% (pick number) of the animations and flash graphics ARE in fact advertisements I don't think anyone is going to miss.
     
  12. bossxii macrumors 68000

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    So it would look like crap on a 10" screen but somehow on your 5" screen everything is ok? contradiction there maybe?

    Did you even watch the MLB example on the iPad? I'm not even a baseball fan and that app for the iPad looks amazing. We haven't even seen what apps will show up, but if the MLB app is any indication, flash will take a backseat to apps as they will provide custom content to the iPad.
     
  13. SingaporeStu macrumors regular

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    Perosnally, I couldn't care less about Flash. I only occasionally visit a site that uses it, & its usually some ad that I couldn't care less about.

    My beef is iPhone OS & iPhone Safari doesn't run Java. Many of my banks' internet banking sites use Java for their login algorithm. :(
     
  14. X_Entity macrumors member

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    BBC iplayer works fine in mobile safari. It streams h.264
     
  15. grahamtearne macrumors regular

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    How is it contradiction? It will clearly look worse on a higher res 10inch screen because the text will appear smaller and there will be so much white space, plus on the 5 inch device I used an alternative thanks to flash 9.

    I don't what it is about people that have to attack people and think because they dont use something or have got by then we are ok without it.

    Yes there are 75 million iPhones and they have coped but that is because they have had no choice, still doesnt make the fact flash is absent a valid point. But, the iPhone browser is fantastic for a phone and its shortcomings are forgiven because it is a small device designed for casual browsing, the iPad is not, it was said by jobs that it will be better to browse on that a laptop. Well clearly viewing mobile pages on a 10 inch screen is not the best web experience.

    Ok so we will see apps and maybe some iPad developed apps to work around it for now, and just because the iPad will probably have good sales doesn't mean its evident people dont need or use flash.

    I will buy this with or without, I am not one of those saying its the be all and end all of this device, BUT I do get sick of people pretending it doesnt matter at all.

    I get that apple wants to speed along html5 and all and thats great, I will be happy to see the back of flash I really will, but lets not forget that right now its here and many sites use it.

    Apps are great, the mlb.tv app looks fantastic admitted, but I doubt we will see that for others, say the NFL which has a deal with sprint for all mobile content so I see them developing an app as unlikely right now, redesigned website for it is a possibility. But that brings me back to the point that this clearly isnt the best browsing experience when you are switching from app to browser to check things, and unless mlb.tv is given background rights is still not as good as the full mlb.tv in another tab, that way I could listen to the audio and use other tabs to browse, using the app then browsing would kill the app.

    I like the iPad, I see what Apple is trying to do, I see that flash is buggy, mobile sites are not good alternatives on large screens, sales do not prove we do not need flash, struggling without something does not mean people are happy and are coping fine without something, and just because you may not use flash much doesnt mean you represent the whole of the web (nor do I for flash users) I am seeing both sides to this, some people are blind in the fact flash = bad and no one should use it = apple is god for not using it and trying to kill it.
     

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