Why was headphone jack removed?

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  1. UBS28 macrumors 6502a

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    One of my uses of the 12.9 iPad Pro is actually watching netflix with my $1500 Focal Clear headphones in hotel rooms late at night when I’m travelling.

    This is a very basic feature that is now removed. I guess I shouldn’t ever “upgrade” to a new 12.9 iPad Pro model.
     
  2. Macalway macrumors 68030

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    They want you to use bluetooth wireless accessories apparently. Nobody like wires. I'm not sure why actually. Seems kinda crazy. I mean sure, wires suck, but it's just a little hole most of the time. Seems kinda harmless. Maybe i'm missing something.
     
  3. JD2015 macrumors 6502

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    Use the usb c to headphone adapter if want to use wired headphones. They are very cheap.

    Do not like wired headphones as the cables restrict movement and also the cables get very tangled at times. However, I appreciate it affects those that do prefer them for audio quality and need them in their job.

    Be interesting to see how many people actually do use the headphone jack still in tablets and laptops.
     
  4. VMMan macrumors 6502a

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    I have the new 3rd gen 12.9” but still use my 1st gen 12.9” for video and audio because of the headphone jack.
     
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    To reach a specific thickness. Same as the newer phones. Just more one adapter to add to the pile.
     
  7. ctg7w6 macrumors 6502

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    Lol $1500 headphones. Maybe they did it just for lulz of making your $1500 headphones useless.
     
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    More space for batteries. Yes, that port takes space. Use a $9 adapter with yout Focal Clear headphones. Or get BT headphones for Netflix.
     
  10. willentrekin macrumors regular

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    I never would have thought to use a mobile device with higher end headphones without my trusty Chord Mojo in between. I had a pair of low impedance Beyerdynamics that were ass, but I'm sure Focal has figured out a way to make the ~30 ohm cans sound better.

    I just got some Senn HD1s for mobile use. Looking forward to them. I've definitely preferred life without wires.
     
  11. TheRealAlex macrumors 68000

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    Why was the 3.5mm jack removed for 2 reasons. To save Money however small. And secondly so Apple could slowly create their own Bluetooth Alternative. Hear me out.
    Since Qualcomm owns aptXHD a codec that makes Bluetooth Audio sound better than 3.5mm audio Apple Won’t pay those licensing fees.
    Sony owns LDAC which is similar to aptXHD and Apple won’t pay to License LDAC.

    The Only Option left is for Apple to Create a Bluetooth Alternative, And when they release it. Apple will Charge a Licensing Fee to All companies and make a ton of Money.

    So killing off the 3.5mm audio jack Had two Main Goal.

    #1. Save Money.
    #2. Make Tons more Money.

    Phase #1 is complete. Phase #2 is almost there Apple release the W1 chip which analyzes all the Bluetooth data and gives it to Apple in addition to other things. Apple engineers are likely done analyzing all that data and are working in their own Bluetooth alternative Chip.
     
  12. UBS28 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    My Bose QC35 II and B&W P7 Wireless which are the best wireless headphones out there don’t sound very good in comparison to wired headphones. It is not even close. ANC headphones are cute for going to work in a busy train/bus or whatever but that is it.

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    The Focal Clear sounds good enough straight out of the 12.9 iPad Pro, not really much of a difference with the Mojo. Only with the Chord Hugo 2 you will notice a significant difference.
     
  13. MacDawg macrumors Core

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    You haven't truly experienced Netflix until you experience it with $1500 Focal Clear headphones in hotel rooms late at night through a pure headphone jack without a dongle
     
  14. UBS28 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Dongle suck with mobile devices. I have had the situations more than once when I couldn’t use my IEM’s with the iPhone X because I lost the dongle somewhere.

    Hence why I carry an external DAC + amp in the office most of the time because it is very hard to loose something that big.
     
  15. MacDawg macrumors Core

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    IMO losing dongles says more about users than it does about Apple
     
  16. AutomaticApple macrumors 6502

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    Because wires.
     
  17. willentrekin macrumors regular

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    It's interesting you mention "good enough." You'd think the wireless cans you mention would be "good enough," and honestly I'd be really upset if $1500 cans sounded only "good enough."

    I've read that the new Sony wireless cans and the Sennheiser HD1s sound better than the two wireless sets you mention. Maybe give those a shot?

    Dongles actually tend to work well. I have a Fiio one I use occasionally. Maybe stow them in a safer place so you don't lose them? I keep mine attached to my headphones when traveling. Haven't lost one yet!
     
  18. Perene macrumors 6502a

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    It was removed because Apple profits a lot more this way.



    This video explains the reasons behind it. Before seeing this I thought it was only because they wanted to sell wireless versions. That's not the whole story...

    And worse than having to use a dongle is experiencing 2 different issues with these new iPADs:

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-headphone-adapter-wifi-interference.2155178/
    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ne-adapter-draining-a-lot-of-battery.2156206/

    Unless they are both fixed (or clarified if are going to happen in every iPAD that's out there) I am not investing in a future device, and will stick with my IPP 10.5.
     
  19. secretk, Dec 1, 2018
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    This totally makes sense! On top of it Android added LDAC support in Android 8 so now most of the Android flagship phones (so the more expensive ones) support AAC (Apple's Bluetooth codec), aptX, aptX HD and LDAC. While none of those formats is comparable to analog quality, we also have to take into account the fact that we don't listen to that much quality music. So for most people aptX HD and LDAC are OK. What sucks for everyone (no matter iOS or Android user) is that you need both of your devices to support the good codecs - phone and headphones. Only premium Android phones support those codecs and the headphones that support them cost money (btw the popular Bose QC35 does not support them).

    You are right though they are missing few points when it comes to the AirPods:

    1. No ANC. Sony already made true Bluetooth wireless headset that supports Noise Cancelling, supports aptX HD and even analyzes the pressure in the plane to cancel noise better. They do cost more, but honestly offer more. They even have an app to control your music. Sony even has DSEE option and DSEE HD options in their phones that try to improve the quality of your music before sending it to the headphones. Trust me Apple is behind when it comes to music extensions.
    2. The AirPods themselves have bad design. They are not physically isolating enough (bad for sound leakage, bad for noise isolation). And they might fall off quite easily.

    Overall Apple has few things to take from the competition before they can offer good Bluetooth/wireless experience for people that care about sound quality. Now let's be honest here. Not everyone cares about this. And for those that do, we don't user earbuds for our media consumption while on plane or in hotel, we prefer bigger sound drivers. Headphones like Bose, Sony WH-1000XM series and the new Surface headphones are better in that case. They also help with the noise cancelling in the plane itself.

    For the rest I am pretty sure AirPods work until they try something else that sounds better.
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    I can't talk about the B&W P7, but the Bose do not support the better codecs. Then again if you use them with Apple device you would not feel the difference as iOS itself does not offer better codecs.

    Btw currently the prize for the best wireless headphones goes between Bose QC35 and Sony WH-1000XM3. Bose has a bit better Noise cancelling. Sony has noticeably better sound quality. The rest is a matter of choice. Some want the best noise cancelling out there, others want good enough noise cancelling and the best audio quality.

    ETA: I forgot to mention a group of people that would care. The ones that use Garageband. I cannot imagine working with this app with cheap headphones. It would denote the purpose of using an app for music. Same for people that do seriously video editing on an iPad. For such activities people need quite good monitoring cans that do not enhance bass or anything else. I use Senheiser HD 280 PRO at work and they are good things for like that but they are not wireless. They require 3.5 mm jack.
     
  20. Relentless Power, Dec 2, 2018
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    Realistically, without trying to overthink it like some do, Apple is removing antiquated technology as they did for the iPhone. Multiple Apple executives (Joswiak, Riccio and Schiller) had stated (For the iPhone) that the 3.5 mm Jack was just consuming space and they wanted that space for more improvements internally.

    And of course, Apple has a belief that Bluetooth is the future, and it’s just another way to promote the AirPods.
     
  21. secretk macrumors regular

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    Problem is that for people that care about audio quality Bluetooth is far from offering the quality of the 3.5 mm jack connection.

    Like I said most people do not care so for them this does not even matter. For people that matters, they would want to have their options. When it comes to phones, I doubt that people will do music production on phone. It's a small set of people that like I said care about the audio quality itself so they will want something more than what Bluetooth devices offer.

    For a device like iPad or laptop people want the jack because they will most likely use a device like that for some music production. I am not saying that will be their main device, but they will at least proof check the quality of the end result on such devices. For that they would want to use high quality flat headphones that usually are not wireless. And yes you can use dongles but those dongles compromise the audio quality too. And this is not what such people do.

    This is similar to people that work in the design area. For them it's really important to have calibrated monitors so that they can check the end results and the colors. People like this turn off any image enhancement of a device because they need to know how their work looks like for devices that do not have the enhancements.
     
  22. Rck1984 macrumors regular

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    Innovation and convenience.

    You can debate about convenience, but going wireless is convenience for many people.
    At the same time, they feed their AirPods sales.
     
  23. secretk macrumors regular

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    No one stops people from going wireless even if they have the 3.5 mm jack :). This decision was wrong for people like me who care about audio quality. Bluetooth has long way to go to reach the quality of the 3.5 mm jack.

    That being said most companies care about this so in the end of the day they will remove it from their phones. I could only hope that they improve the audio quality significantly in the meantime.
     
  24. Rck1984 macrumors regular

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    I agree, don’t get me wrong. I don’t like the lack of a headphone jack myself as i have several mid/high-end headphones myself. But its a trend more and more manufacturers are following.

    On the other hand, shouldnt we be connecting our expensive headphones to a quality dedicated player, DAC/AMP instead of an iPad anyway? But perhaps, that’s another discussion :)
     
  25. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    Something is wrong when the wired headphones cost near twice as much as the device producing the music.
     

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