Why was Lion considered so bad?

[jonobin]

the main problem was memory (ram) management, issues only resolved (apparently) with mavericks

 

[Traverse]

Such bickering. Snow Leopard's virtualization doesn't affect the perception of OS X Lion.

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I assumed, at the time, that the limited support was intentional.

Not to deprive users. Just to get plenty of feedback, before Mountain Lion, on what should be done with multi-monitor support. And so on.

That is an interesting theory, but I'm not entirely sure I agree. Going full screen on one monitor should not have blanked out others (especially on Mountain Lion). They could have had better implementation and still received feedback. Honestly, the way it now works was the common sense way to me. When I first hooked my Mac with ML up to an external display was I amazed to discover it didn't work like it was now and disgusted to see it render an external display useless if you took an app like iMovie or Garageband full screen.

 

[MichaelLAX]

Snow Leopard's virtualization doesn't affect the perception of OS X Lion.

It sure does affect the perception of OS X Lion to those who have a need to continue to run PowerPC applications in Lion, as Rosetta is no longer included with Lion; and hence these apps will no longer run in Lion!

You appear to be lucky, in that you did not run into this problem. A review of the forums with show that many other people did have this problem and it continues as others move from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion, Mavericks and now Yosemite.

 

[b0fh666]

i jumped to macs late (was a linux user before), so this rosetta thing never affected me, but one thing I don't understand, if that was so important why no company picked up the ball and made a product from that? it would sell like hot bread it seems.

why it became so 'impossible' to run old ppc apps on macs? if I can play zanac in a msx emulator surely there is a way to run those apps too.

maybe install SL in virtualbox or something.

by the way, I disagree that osx is 'going downhill', it has its ups and downs, mavericks for instance was a big step up from ML. it's memory management is simply epic with memory compression and other neat wizardry.

yosemite, OTOH, seems to be a pig with this kext signing crap... refraining from upgrade for now, maybe mavericks is the new Snow Leopard

 

[MichaelLAX]

why it became so 'impossible' to run old ppc apps on macs? if I can play zanac in a msx emulator surely there is a way to run those apps too.

maybe install SL in virtualbox or something.

Apple's license to include Rosetta in OS X expired upon the release of Lion. The underlying software had been acquired by IBM in their plans to continue the PowerPC platform, so it was unlikely that Apple would have been able to relicense it on any reasonable financial basis, had it been inclined to do so.

Yes, install Snow Leopard Server in virtualization

 

[maflynn]

I disagree. In a world where Windows 8 can still run Windows 9x era apps no problem, removing Rosetta was probably the worst thing Apple did to OS X. All of my old OS X apps were considered useless in the eyes of Apple and was the final straw for me..

I think your experience was not typical of most users. Yeah there was still a good mixture of folks who relied on classic apps, but no matter when apple pulled the plug, they would have been complaining.

 

[Eithanius]

maybe mavericks is the new Snow Leopard

No...! It failed miserably...!

I just had large .pdf files crashing Preview and Pages on Mavericks while Quicklooking said .pdf files giving me errors. None of these happened on Snow Leopard.

If it's not because of the more natural chinese characters running off Pages on Mavericks, I wouldn't have wasted disk space installing it on a secondary partition. Now I'm considering installing more chinese fonts on Snow Leopard.

 

[b0fh666]

No...! It failed miserably...!

I just had large .pdf files crashing Preview and Pages on Mavericks while Quicklooking said .pdf files giving me errors. None of these happened on Snow Leopard.

If it's not because of the more natural chinese characters running off Pages on Mavericks, I wouldn't have wasted disk space installing it on a secondary partition. Now I'm considering installing more chinese fonts on Snow Leopard.

so, 'preview' app failing to load pdfs in chinese is a good measure of success or demise of an OSX version? think not

personally had ZERO problems with mavericks since I upgraded (and I always upgrade over the existing install, which started on lion that is what came on the 2012). even moved the system (carboncopy) to another macbook, zero issues.

lion and ML gave me some headaches tough. sometimes my profile would get corrupted, breaking statusbar images and a lot of other widgets, and the only solution was to create another user and copy the homedir to this new user, rename old user, delete it, yada, yada... annoying as hell. had to do this like 5 times.

cheers

 

[Eithanius]

so, 'preview' app failing to load pdfs in chinese is a good measure of success or demise of an OSX version? think not

personally had ZERO problems with mavericks since I upgraded (and I always upgrade over the existing install, which started on lion that is what came on the 2012). even moved the system (carboncopy) to another macbook, zero issues.

lion and ML gave me some headaches tough. sometimes my profile would get corrupted, breaking statusbar images and a lot of other widgets, and the only solution was to create another user and copy the homedir to this new user, rename old user, delete it, yada, yada... annoying as hell. had to do this like 5 times.

cheers

Mind you, it's not typical "chinese" .pdf files downloaded from some chinese hacking servers as what you're claiming them to be... It's pdf generated from within Pages. I just happened to mention "chinese" because Mavericks has better chinese character fonts on it, that's the reason why I needed Mavericks for these documents.

Learn to read properly next time...

 

[b0fh666]

no, you learn. where the hell did i claim the pdfs are from hacking sites or wherever?

i just say that the OS is a different thing than the 'preview.app', which is crap IMO, but actually does the job for me.

try adobe reader, it might work better