Why we need jailbreaking again: iPhone X

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by lellis2k, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. lellis2k macrumors 6502

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    I used to love jailbreaking back in the early days, Apple did an amazing job bringing us the hardware, and the software was a great start, but it took them 5 or 6 years to get iOS to a level where I didn't feel like I needed to Jailbreak anymore. (Notification Center, multitasking etc)

    Now, 10 years on I feel like we're at a bit of a reboot, the iPhone X represents such a big change in form-factor and usage that in part, we're in the same position we were with the origiPhone.

    Apple has removed the home button, and they've found what they think is a good replacement, gestures. I'm confident that these will be okay, usable, but not the best they could be, we'll see improvements over the coming year, but they will be slow. A few things I know i'll want from a jailbreak:

    • Reachability has seemingly been removed, I want this back on launch day, not in iOS 12 when enough people have complained.
    • Control Center requiring a swipe from the top of the screen, and therefore probably 2 hands, not good enough.
    • Unlocking straight to the home screen rather than having to swipe up, this may be an option, haven't read so yet though.
    ...and to quote the classic movie, Contact, “there are 1,000 reasons why you may need to [jailbreak iOS 11]; it's the reasons we can't think of that make it necessary."
     
  2. maflynn Moderator

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    I can't how the simplicity of a button being replaced by various gestures can be considered a good replacement. Its just me and maybe I'm getting grumpy in my old age, but a button seems a lot simpler.
     
  3. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    I never left.

    Lots of people seem to have felt that Apple provided something that made it so they no longer had to jailbreak.

    I've always felt that whatever Apple offered has been a watered down, incomplete, bad copy of a jailbreak tweak.

    Unfortunately, most people just seem to accept the crappy Apple solution over the jailbreak solution.
     
  4. lympero macrumors 6502a

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    That’s true. You can check swipe home for Android. You can have multiple gestures like swipe up for home screen. Swipe up and the down for control center etc. Even swipe right or left if you want. It works really well and I’m pretty sure Apple can do it even better if they want.
     
  5. shuttaman macrumors member

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  6. Will22 macrumors 65816

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    No it’s you, your just a grumpy old fart:p
     
  7. Pangu103 macrumors member

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    The iPhone x will be a lot harder to jb imho.
     
  8. iRetired macrumors 6502a

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    I wonder if Apple is going to write iOS 13 firmware, or are they going to skip it and go straight to iOS 14? Precedence has already been set by the multi-story hotels, high-rises, and elevators (no 13th floor, except in the movies). Same applies to Apple iPhone XIII, I suppose.
     
  9. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Jailbreaking is always needed and great to have available.
    There's nothing wrong with having the extra freedom to allow options that Apple thinks you should not have a say or change the way your phone looks or functions.
    As it is the user cannot change any functions of the OS besides install and remove apps.
    Letting some customization would be great and more operational options but I dont see that happening.
    Why shouldnt I be able to decide if I want to assign swipe up for another option than what the mighty Apple Gods picked for me? Or assign other gestures to other uses that each individual user might like to setup?
     
  10. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    The kicker for me still is calling from the lockscreen. Callbar allowed that in iOS 6, but it's a feature that Apple still has not implemented. They'll give you animojis and games inside the Messages app, but you still have to unlock the damn phone and open the Phone app to make a call when stock.

    It's ridiculous and stupid.
     
  11. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Its whatever Apple decides for you and you have to love it :D
    It sucks that the end user cannot decide what gestures, options and behaviors work better for them.
    Assign different gestures to different things. I really miss activator :D
    You can change 100 different things with that hack.
    You want to double tap the taskbar to open this app? or swipe down for this action? Anything you can imagine.
    Not every single user out of millions out there have the same needs or uses with their wireless device.

     
  12. MjWoNeR macrumors 6502

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    While I like the X, and I'm pre-ordering as soon as I can. I can't argue with this thread. Jailbreaking has contributed a lot, to a lot of devices, Apple and not. So jailbreak away! Freedom!
     
  13. Snide macrumors 6502a

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    One of the most obvious problems with a touchscreen phone is the ability to inadvertently dial. It’s hard to believe that Apple has still not addressed this isssue after all of these years. Tweaks like Ask to Call are pretty indispensable.

    And thanks to TetherMe, I am able to use 100+ GB a month (mostly with Apple TV) on my good ol’ unlimited data plan.
     
  14. x-evil-x macrumors 601

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    How fast are streaming movies adhere they throttle you after 23 gigs I believe? I Would think it works mane loading movies impossibly slow
     
  15. Snide macrumors 6502a

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    The throttling is said to start at 22GB in "congested areas". If I am in the large city nearby, when I get throttled the video looks to be 240p or worse; pretty much unusable. However in the remote area where I live I never get throttled for some reason, likely because the vast majority of cell-tower users are in their cars and just using voice and not streaming video.

    Incidentally, there's no cable service available here, and the fastest DSL available tops out at 1.7 megabits (good HD video seems to require at least 6 megabits). So iPhone comes to the rescue, and with GPSCheat I am able to watch home-team MLB games that are blacked out even after paying $118.00 for a yearly subscription.
     
  16. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    How exactly is this working for you?

    I mean, before 2012 I had an HTC Touch Pro where this was a problem, but Windows Mobile allowed calls from the lockscreen.

    I've never had any issue with a stock iPhone pocket dialing anyone because Apple does not allow calls from the lockscreen. I see no way you could make a phone call from the lockscreen stock.

    It's possible with a jailbroken iPhone, Callbar and Activator if you happen to set Activator up in a way it could be triggered, but even with Callbar and Activator installed on my jailbroken phones I've never had one of them pocket dial.

    Are you just leaving the phone unlocked with the screen on in your pocket? That's the only way I could see pocket dialing occuring.

    Unless there is something I have missed entirely?
     
  17. Snide macrumors 6502a

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    I have had calls dial from the pocket; the screen must not have been turned off as you suggest. But even then the touchscreen should not react to a pants pocket, yet it does. Another example of a fail is when the proximity sensor is supposed to keep the screen off when the phone is held to the face, and yet it doesn't always work.

    Anyway, for me AskToCall is not so much to prevent butt-dialing as it is to prevent calls when inadvertently touching a wrong button. As an added bonus it displays the name or number of the person about to be dialed so you can cancel it if there's a mistake.
     
  18. jonnysods macrumors 603

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  19. PJ. macrumors regular

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    Another reason is the iPad Pro. So much screen space but not extra icons.
     
  20. rafark macrumors 6502a

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    I used to like jail-break; however putting down $1000 just to have the warranty cancelled later on doesn't sound good at all.
     
  21. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    That's a fallacy.

    Oh it was true once, and it's often repeated by those who see jailbreaks as evil and Apple never discourages that.

    But here are the facts.

    Restoring wipes all trace of a jailbreak. Apple can't tell (although some will claim that they can) you ever had a jailbreak.

    Three years ago Apple changed it's policy. They have to prove that a jailbreak caused whatever warranty issue you are experiencing before they can deny you service.

    The worst they can do to you now is to ask you to restore your device.

    In short…what you say is not true anymore.
     
  22. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    Agreed on the proximity sensor, that's supposed to turn off the screen if you put it in a pocket without locking it.

    That said, just for clarification, your pocket is not what the screen is reacting to. It's reacting to your leg, with the material of the pocket not being shielding enough to prevent the resistive screen from interacting with your skin.
     
  23. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    Hmmm…I wonder.

    It seems many people place their phones in their pockets rightside up with the screen facing in (to protect the screen).

    I place mine upside down with the screen facing out. It's easier to pick it up and raise it when a call comes in without having to flip it around.

    Perhaps this is why I've never experienced pocket dialing.
     
  24. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Warranty is not cancelled if you JB.
    You restore with itunes and bring it to Apple for service with no problems.


     
  25. x-evil-x macrumors 601

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    Ive had warranty work done on two phones that where jail broken. iPhone 3g and 4. The genius didn’t care but they brought it up.
     

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