Why, Why, Why doesn't Apple introduce more services?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by ASGR, May 17, 2013.

  1. ASGR macrumors newbie

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    I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned about Apples future and that history maybe repeating itself, i.e. the John Scully era... Apple's stuck in a hardware world in an internet era!

    One way to drive innovation at Apple would be to further integrate the hardware, software and internet into an own-brand hybrid service with what it already offers with features like Facebook, YouTube and Flickr to start with, all seamlessly integrated.

    And another thing, what is up with AppleTV? You'd think they would go 'iTunes' on the industry and corral all the media providers and present it through the AppleTV platform. I was watching a poker TV stream the other day and realised just how many and how massive this industry could be.

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  2. Sky Blue Guest

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    Not sure what you mean, you want an Apple social network that integrates other social networks?
     
  3. Kissaragi macrumors 68020

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    If you remembered ping, you'd think very differently about apple making more services.
     
  4. ASGR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for reply.

    I suppose something NOT exactly but something like the other services but also something that complements the features of the hardware it sells that adds value to the whole experience. And probably yes, some sort of social service.

    Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with 'ping' service but that was then and this is now i.e. iTunes changed the world. Ideas and technologies and accessibility have changed since then and it's a whole new ball game. They were saying the same thing about the mobile industry before Apple got it's hands on it and changed the way it was done.
     
  5. Kissaragi macrumors 68020

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    Ping was released in 2010, well after iTunes became big. It was so successful that apple closed it in 2012. The fact you hadn't heard of it shows just how useless it was.
     
  6. ASGR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Oh yeah, I remember now. In my opinion iTunes seems to be suffering from application bloat and needs redefining i.e. iOS apps could be moved to the App Store.

    Again, just in my opinion, Ping was badly managed. If music recommendations can be made to work in a non-related site like Facebook without ANY supporting platform, then surely it can be made to work with the support of iTunes the BIGGEST online music store. It just doesn't add up, bad management.

    Who knows, Apple maybe too closed off and unwilling to work with third parties unlike the other internet Goliath's.
     
  7. irDigital0l Guest

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    Because it doesn't make sense for them to make new services while their current ones are broken.

    Both Maps and Siri are way behind Google Maps and Google Now.

    iCloud needs work as well as iTunes.

    Where are the updates to iWork? Speaking of iWork, that's one thing that should be worked on and rethought. Should be able to be accessed in iCloud.com

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  8. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    I think I rather have Apple concentrate on core products and get those right then worry over "services"
     
  9. irDigital0l Guest

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    Their core problems is their services.
     
  10. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    I disagree
     
  11. irDigital0l Guest

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    It would have been nice to say why you disagree.
     
  12. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    Ok.
     
  13. ChristianJapan macrumors 601

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    Apple should not loose itself in "me-too"s. Didn't worked out in the past. I don't need iTube, iSearch, another social network ...

    Suggest that Apple focus on what they can do best: integrate well designed hardware with good software. Adding services is ok, but focused and once ready for prime time. A number of Apple user need not the latest and greatest; they ask for stability and easy-to-use.
     
  14. irDigital0l Guest

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    Which is what I said.

    Apple needs to fix its current services before introducing new services.

    I would agree with your statement, but the fact is now, Apple itself is pushing its own services. iCloud, Maps, Siri, iTunes, etc. Every keynote, Apple talks about these. In a post-PC time, these things are absolutely essential.

    Like I said before, look at how Google is pushing Google Maps and Google Now. Google Now introduced after Siri has already surpassed it.

    Apple updates Siri once a year and last year it learned how to do like 4 things.

    Lots of work needed.
     
  15. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    You mean like a Microsoft Account?

    To be honest... I'm in support. The merger of social features into a single app is a pretty sweet feature of Windows and Windows Phone 8. But its hardly a deal-breaker. Many people want their socials where their socials belong and not integrated.
     
  16. ASGR, May 20, 2013
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    Thanks for all your excellent replies.

    It can't be denied that the competition has increased geometrically in the form of Samsung and Android. Their's only so long that Apple can defend the front line with it's existing strategy. Correct me If i'm wrong, but isn't Apple loosing marketshare already with it's excellent hardware? The competition is gradually becoming an acceptable alternative.

    As mentioned above, everybody, as well as Apple, will continue to improve the hardware to take advantage of new technology but this is a slow business in what *has* become a mature market. Their's only so many pixels you can squeeze onto the screen before it become economically and financially unjustifiable to the end-user.

    In a mature market there is little else to do but to try to differentiate your product and to maximise value added-ness and the most logical path of least resistance will be to add internet services to your product. Why let your users make money for someone else when they could be making money for you.

    It may yet be that the hardware will become the loss-leader to attract users to the internet platform, in collaboration with ISP, to save the user money or time whilst offering what ever value-added-services and Apple is in no position to compete on that playing field with it's expensive hardware.

    May sound crazy, but it's what happens to all other companies in other industries and the computing industry is not immune to the laws of economics. Mobile phone companies do it with cheap phones, banks do it with financial services. Even Google is offering services and products that are subsidised by advertising. Where would be be without GoogleEarth?

    It's short of a miracle that Apple has been able to get away with it for so long. It's been it's aggressive push into technological superiority both hard/soft-ware that has kept it going over the past few years but the competition has not been sleeping.

    I bet Google is working on fully integrating it's web products into Android and possibly even an internet version of ChromeOS with a server-farm attached that will run on it's own hardware with subsidies from advertising and a WebAppStore.

    I hear what you say about reinventing the wheel in terms of existing services but Apple has still got the superior hardware, software and OS in place to seamlessly integrate the user experience and interface with some type of superior internet service. Don't get me wrong, I think iCloud is great but it's based on *decades* old technologies, but it's adding value by allowing you to collaborate with other devices.

    As mentioned above, even Microsoft has jumped on the services band-wagon with it's massive portal and Office365. I'm not saying become another MS just don't be in a position where MS was trying to play catchup several years ago.

    With it's Office365 product you can bet it will be the No1 business application provider for years to come with it's desktop, collaboration and internet offering. I wouldn't put it past MS offering some type of deal with it's table and internet service.
     
  17. Plutonius macrumors 603

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    Plenty of competitors around. If Apple products do not meet your needs, use something else.
     
  18. ASGR, May 20, 2013
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    ASGR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    That's not the point of the conversation. More than happy with what I have but I'm hoping that it will be as great tomorrow as it is today.

    I'm just saying Apple has to find an online identity in the face of inevitability and to maximise it's potential working with what it has got to start with.

    For a start, it could socialise GarageBand with online collaboration where it would almost literally become a garageband where you can publish your compositions in realtime/live-gigs or recorded like soundcloud.com or create a marketplace to sell your work/plugins etc. and integrate it with the desktop app with drag/drop from published internet libraries.

    Crazy stuff like this!
     
  19. GermanyChris macrumors 601

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    until they get OSX, iOS, iWork, and iLife under control they don't need to expand any further.
     
  20. A Hebrew macrumors 6502a

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    They don't expand because they are primarily a hardware company. Why waste money on things that bring little profit (Example: Bing) when they can just sit around and make billions?
     

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