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in the year and a half that i've used osx, i've had exactly one kernel panic and one crash that could not be solved with a forcequit. the kernel panic was due to a poorly written screensaver that gave my ati card a heart attack (under 10.0, but still not apple's fault) but i was still able to just type reboot and start up fine. the only hard lock i've had was trying the finder ftp feature in 10.2, but i've heard that this has been fixed in the recent updates. a few weeks ago, i rebooted into 9 for some reason, and my roomate said "wow, you're restarting your computer?". i explained it to him. the poor guy has to deal with bsods and the magical ability of windows to hang at the shutdown screen all the time.
 
Originally posted by Nipsy
My Mac says:
Volume "Storage" has a problem. You should repair it with Disk Utility

My Wintel box says:
Volumes /ndr0/ndr8/ experienced the following error:120xEE

I put a CD into a Mac to install the OS.

I put four floppies, then a CD into a Wintel box, and after 45 minutes am told that I have no hard drives available, so I repeat (several times)

My Mac boots happily full of cards and memory and devices

My Wintel box requires IRQs, cacheable bios, UDMA support and countless other enablers

My Mac has crashed 13 times since os 10 was introduced (and takes some serious abuse before it does)

I tried XP this weekend, and it BSODes after 38 minutes (unexpected_kernel_mode_trap)

The Apple support forums and TIL are usable

The M$ and Intel support info is not

I have had Macs since 1984, and once I found a file with a virus in it, but it did no damage (without A.V.)

I have had PCs since 1998, and have had 3 data losses caused by virii (with A.V.)

If you type 'google' in a Mac browser, you go to http://www.google.com

If you type 'google' in the common Wintel browser, you wind up at MSN

I can delete any program from my Mac

I cannot delete many programs from my Wintel box (I spent half an hour today watching wmplayer.exe magically reappear everytime i deleted it)

UNIX makes sense to a programmer

NT does not make sense to a programmer

Aqua, while a bit too gooey, is pretty

Luna is either Fischer Price, or plain jane

My Mac happily runs 30 apps, and 50 services for months at a time

Three instances of SmartPar can bring XP to its knees

I control my Mac

Redmond, the RIAA, and Fritz Hollings control my PC

well said. bravo. :p
 
Originally posted by daPhil
I just have to say that PCs boot fine from the CD if the machine isnt from the stoneage.

Some OSes will boot from a CD, some won't. Mac OS has booted from a CD into an OS implementation (with or wothout an installer) since Sytem 7 (1991ish).

Newer Windows will, Linux will, NT won't, 2000 depends on the PCs mood.


IRQs are also a thing of the past you dont need the if you are running W2K or later. You dont have to cache the BIOS, its an option on/off. Enablers?

Then why have I experienced an irq_not_less_or_equal BSOD under Win2k many times?

My point is that I shouldn't have to wade through bios to swap a card. My blonde sister shouldn't have to be a hardware engineer to swap to a bigger HD. You know how often most Mac users see OpenFirmware?

Never.


There are more PC viruses because there are 50 times as many users, hence noone cares about making viruses for Mac. Wich is a very good thing of course.

There are also more virii for pcs because a 10 year old script kiddie can poke holes in the OS. I don't 'hack', and I can still find back doors into out of the box Windows installs.

Why does a browser run as an admin?

Why can an e-mail attachment self execute?

Windows is inherently insecure.

Ever heard of "uninstall"? Anyway you are not supposed to delete the WMedia player. Its like deleting Quicktime from the Mac. Not good.

Uninstall often fails. I still have my AudioGalaxy client in my uninstall list, because the uninstall deleted the log, but not the instance. Not very elegant.

Furthermore, I can delete Quicktime Player to my hearts content. I can DELETE IE to my hearts content, etc.

How do I get Windows Messenger OFF of my XP machine?

You make no sense to me. Im a programmer working under W2K (NT v5) and i know about 30 more programmers working under Windows writing all kinds of languages. Actually i think most programmers work under Wintel.

Most Windows programs are indeed written under Wintel, but COM sucks, VB sucks, ASP can suck, .NET has yet to give me a compelling reason to look at it, etc. It does seem pretty easy to write a working virus though...

I'm talking primarily about server side programming. I know many people who prefer the scriptability, scalability, and portability of UNIX source.

Programmers working in Wintel are doing it because they're told to, or because they are programming for Wintel. I don't know anyone who does so by choice...

Our Wintel webserver hasnt crashed once in the year we have had it. It has about 20 sites, 5 MySQL databases and a 24/7 Counterstrike server on it with 10000+ players and its still fast with dual 933 p3 processors.

So, it can't be IIS. It must be apache (a port of a UNIX program). And you're using MySQL, another port of a unix program.

You're welcome.

Why don't you set up an IIS box running SQLServer, and tell me how long it lasts before a huge memory leak takes it down?
 
Because of funny stuff like this...
 

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Originally posted by ooartist
1. OS X == UNIX

2. Cocoa (Objective C)

3. ProjectBuilder


This developer likey. With MS you have to buy
their IDE, no likey.




ooartist

What is ProjectBuilder?

Are there a Java Programming software for the Mac too? like Jbuilder and Jcreator for the PC.
 
...one word...

Innovation. Innovation. Innovation.

Well, maybe more than one. What other company has changed the way the world thinks and visualizes? Besides the computer and graphic element of life, who made the world multicolored? (A few years back, think of how everything in stores coming in a variety of colors.) Who pushed the consumer end of DVD and video editing (with ease) quicker (DVD burners are becoming standard in many computers now.) Apple has changed the ways we live, and the way we do things.

And to reiterate....Innovation. Innovation. Innovation....And a world of firsts.

*steps down from the soapbox*
 
Why indeed

I'm 47 years old and have been using computers for an enornous amount of time. I said 47, so I don't have time to dick around with PC's. I have 50 laser printers, for example. Just try finding ONE of them with XP and making it work PROPERLY. Apps are cleaner, Servers mounts are easier, saving is more intuitive, things are easy to find. I NEVER crash on either my 867 w/1.5GBram or iBook or TiBook (except for an occasional MS Explorer cramp-up), and I have about every major app running. My HP Omni book, out of the box AND after many re-installs quits working properly after 10 minutes with various indecipherable errors. My PC desktop was given away to some idiot with a death wish. My 23 servers (mostly OSX) have had a TOTAL of 1 day downtime this year, and THAT was because of MY error. My productivity is EASILY 70% higher on a Mac.
I consider myself a true power-user, and have seen it all. Windows ain't it. Some of you might say to yourselves "He just doesn't know what he's doing with a PC". Fair enough. You're right. But after 20 years and countless hours spent trying to decipher PC errors, I'll be glad to admit I'm stupid... for not switching sooner. Meanwhile, I'm off to get some work done while you PC-users worry about the next virus outbreak.
 
One kernal panic since I first installed X (10.0.0) on my iMac.

3 BSOD since my family purchased a Wintel tower (for work).

'Nuff said.
 
Originally posted by pnz999
What is ProjectBuilder?

Are there a Java Programming software for the Mac too? like Jbuilder and Jcreator for the PC.
project builder is the main program that you use to compile software on a mac (some people still use codewarrior for legacy stuff). it's part of the developer tools which come for free with every copy of osx (or can be downloaded for free from apple's dev site). project builder allows you to build carbon (c++) and cocoa (c/obj-c/obj-c++/obj-c and java/java) applications. combined with interface builder and the rest of the developer tools, it's probably the most complete and powerful framework for writing programs available. as far as java goes, there essentially two ways you can use java in osx: 1. osx can run pure platform independent java apps seamlessly 2. java can be used to access cocoa frameworks, allowing you to build an app with a java based back end and cocoa elements for the interface (you can also combine java and obj-c to get this effect). and if you really need it, Jbuilder is available for osx as well.
 
daPhil wrote on 12-04-2002 12:18 AM:
Our webserver is indeed IIS. Easy to manage and poweful. And that stuff about programming under *nix is better is just bull****. Visual Studio, C#, .NET... All those things are sweet. And ASP is sweet aswell. Everyone i know including me who programs under Windows does it because they want to. Stop thrashing Wintel because of religion, stick 2 the facts plz.

I've programmed under UNIX, I've programmed under Windows, and I've programmed under Mac (6.0.4 - X).

Here are some facts:
C# is a proprietary rip off of Java. M$ can't admit that Java is a good thing, so they copied, bastardized, and stole it. People will learn it, and then start writing bad Java for clients.

ASP/COM/IIS is the easiest way in the world to create a crippling garbage collection memory leak.

95% of the world uses Windows, but a HUGE share pf the world's code is written under UNIX...why might that be?

Visual Studio is okay, but not 'sweet' by any means.

.NET is so good that people are flocking to it en masse...no wait, that's not .NET.

Intel hardware scales MUCH better under UNIX/Linux than Windows.

So, do you, and everyone you know, get offered a Wintel box, an OSX box, a UNIX box, and a Linux box, or do your bosses sit you down at a Windows box, and hand you a project?

I'm thrashing Wintel because I've written for it, and it does some really stupid things. You should hear my opinions about programming under OS9!

BTW, this is not for PM's
 
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