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Porcelina said:
Never heard of Screen Spanning Doctor I presume? Works great, but it woids the warranty. But there should be absolutely no problem using it.
Huh... good thing I said I was "pretty sure." :) I just looked up the iBook's video card. It is an "ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 graphics processor with 32MB of dedicated video memory and AGP 4X support," and ATI clearly shows that the Radeon 9200 includes "Multi-display support for CRT monitor, TV or Digital Flat Panel."

They go on to say it includes Hydravision which allows you to "increase your desktop work space by using up to two monitors." Granted, that is Windows software, but it does show support right from the manufacturer.

I guess that's pretty clear. Huh.
 
I couldn't give a crap about the screen size- in fact, i rather prefer the 3:4 ratio instead of 10:16 or whatever it is. All I really want in my iBook is a backlit keyboard! that's all, and i'd be a happy camper.

As far as I can tell, this is just apple's way of keeping up with the jones's. my friend got an emachines laptop. really cheep, but it has a widescreen. Apple's just gotta stay with the crowd. I dont see anything special about this.
 
shamino said:
When the Intel boxes eventually ship, I suspect we'll see a 32-bit chip in the iBook and a 64-bit chip in the PowerBook. But until then, I don't think there will be very much difference between them.



I doubt it. We aren't going to see 64-bit Pentium M chips until FALL of 2006. Sales of PowerBooks already SUCK because everyone is waiting and waiting and waiting AND WAITING, AND WAITING!!! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! My money is on dual core Yonah's demoed in January with a shipping date of late first quarter. Single core Pentium M iBooks (There is your differentiation.) and 2Ghz Mac Minis. Keep in mind that Intel has already demoed a laptop almost 2.5 months ago running a Yonah running at 1.47Ghz. That was two months ago. You can bet your paycheck that Apple has been working with Intel before the announcement. They are prob well on their way to a new PowerBook and iBook series. The only question I have is what in the name of all that is good and holy could possibly follow up to the PowerBook's design? *drools at the thought* God I think I need a cold shower now....
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I couldn't give a crap about the screen size- in fact, i rather prefer the 3:4 ratio instead of 10:16 or whatever it is. All I really want in my iBook is a backlit keyboard! that's all, and i'd be a happy camper.

As far as I can tell, this is just apple's way of keeping up with the jones's. my friend got an emachines laptop. really cheep, but it has a widescreen. Apple's just gotta stay with the crowd. I dont see anything special about this.


Take a look at the world around you. In 5 years you won't be able to get a TV that isn't widescreen. Movies have been widescreen since the beginning. Computers are going widescreen as someone else mentioned because you can fit more onscreen. Not everything is 3:4. IM status screens. Wigets. Etc. With widescreen you can have a center app open in 3:4 and still have more then enough room to have other apps open. Question: Have you or are you on a widescreen? If not I suggest you try one for a few weeks. I had a 23" Dell widescreen. Sent it back because of backlight bleed issues. Reverted back to my 17" Size issues aside its painful going back to 3:4.
 
SiliconAddict said:
I doubt it. We aren't going to see 64-bit Pentium M chips until FALL of 2006. Sales of PowerBooks already SUCK because everyone is waiting and waiting and waiting AND WAITING, AND WAITING!!! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Enter Freescale's 90nm MPC7448 chip. According to AppleInsider they're showcasing the chip right now. They're saying it's going in the next rev of the PB, sometime in October 2005.

Based on Freescale's e600 PowerPC core, the MPC7448 represents the most significant update to the MPC74xx family of processors to date and is expected to offer speeds from 600 MHz to 1.7 GHz with the system bus running up to 200 MHz.

The MPC7448 is also the first product in the MPC74xx family to use Freescale's 90 nanometer (nm) silicon-on-insulator (SOI) CMOS process, which will significantly increases clock and bus speeds while reducing power requirements.

Running much cooler than its predecessor, the MPC7448 offers GHz-class performance at less than 10 Watts, the company said. The MPC7448 power management features also include nap and sleep modes and introduce dynamic frequency switching that permits system software to reduce power "on the fly...."

"The MPC7448 is a seamless step up in performance that demonstrates Freescale's continued commitment to developing compatible high-performance PowerPC processors for the embedded market," the company said in a statement. It is also a stepping stone to the MPC8641D dual-core processor based on the same e600 PowerPC core.

According to Freescale documents, the MPC7448 and MPC8641D PowerPC G4 processors share many architectural similarities that make them highly compatible, including support for asymmetric and symmetric multiprocessing, identical 32KB L1 cache and 1MB L2 cache, and identical AltiVec technology attributes and performance.

Additionally the same customer application binary code can run on the MPC7448 and MPC8641D, meaning Apple could adopt the dual-core G4 chip for its mobile offerings down the line. However, by the time Freescale begins mass-producing the MPC8641D, Apple will likely be ready to debut a dual-core PowerBook based on Intel's Yonah mobile processor.

In the meantime, Freescale said the MPC7448 -- which has been sampling since February -- is planned to be in full production in October 2005. The chip will likely begin showing up in Apple laptop-based systems shortly thereafter, offering a substantial increase in battery performance and slight speed boost over today's systems.

According to EEMBC (Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium) certified performance benchmark tests, a 1.7GHz MPC7448 scored a 350.8 in the DENbench suite "out-of-the-box," while AltiVec engine optimization helped double application performance to 762.0.

Too little too late? I mean, what with Apple switching to Intel and all...
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
I see no mentioning of widescreen version of the 12" iBook, and although a 12" (or 13") widescreen 1280x768 iBook HD would be cool, I kind of like the 4:3 ratio in such a small screen as the 12". My iBook 12" really has a perfect ratio and resolution, 1024x768 (even if I personally maybe would prefer a bit better resolution). I think it would be too small and narrow with a 12" widescreen (although I want to se one before I really make up my mind... ;)).

If they keep the 14" in 4:3 it should have 1280x1024. But maybe the new 14" widescreen iBook will have HD resolution, thus making it a very handy machine for the average home user and OK resolution both for computing and media.

1280x1024 is 5:4. To have 4:3 (which is less square) you would need 1280x960. I certainly hope Apple do not release a 1280x1024 display, why people buy them i'll never understand.
 
sw1tcher said:
Enter Freescale's 90nm MPC7448 chip. According to AppleInsider they're showcasing the chip right now. They're saying it's going in the next rev of the PB, sometime in October 2005.



Too little too late? I mean, what with Apple switching to Intel and all...

Seriously. We've got something like a year to wait for Mactels. The PB line has been essentially stagnant for over a year already. If it were physically possible, the iBook line would be upgrading at a rate slower than stationary. On the one hand, common decency would dictate some sort of upgrade, especially for the iBook, in short order; but on the other hand, the Osborne effect renders a MPC7448-packing PB all-but superfluous to anyone but those with an almost life-threatening need for a new laptop right-effing-now, stat, and post-haste.

2005 is going to be one long freaking year for Mac mobile users.
 
Porcelina said:
Never heard of Screen Spanning Doctor I presume? Works great, but it woids the warranty. But there should be absolutely no problem using it.

Pretty sure it won't void your warranty. It's an AppleScript that changes some settings in OpenFirmware. Also, it can be completely removed without a trace by just booting up your machine while holding a couple of keys that reset the systems firmware, so there's almost no reason to bring a machine in for service that has the hack applied. (I s'pose your power supple could fail and you'd be unable to power on the machine and remove the modification).

I've never heard of a warranty claim being denied due to this hack, and if one were, in the US at least, it'd be a pretty slam dunk case to get them to reverse that, as I don't think Apple could prove that hack does any damage.
 
Anyone in this thread have an iBook with Virtual PC on it?

I'd love to know if Hydravision can talk to the iBook's Radeon chip....
 
this isn't the first time there have been stories about widescreen ibooks. i believe the other stories were similar with somebody saying that blabla manufacturing has secured the contract. i remember seeing one at least a year ago... and ones going back a few years. i think one was for screen manufacturing that may have ended up being the widescreen versions of the G4 iMac. not that a 17 or 20 inch ibook would make sense.

i do agree the ibooks seem pretty overdue for a bump or revision. you figure there is at least one more G4 ibook before the Intel chips go in them.
 
Toe said:
Anyone in this thread have an iBook with Virtual PC on it?

I'd love to know if Hydravision can talk to the iBook's Radeon chip....
It won't matter what software you try because Virtual PC doesn't provide direct access to the graphics card in the first place - instead it emulates a very simple graphics chipset. Therefore, I can conclude that your idea is doomed from the very start.
 
javiercr said:
more practical for what? watching movies? for many people the most practical thing would be a vertical screen, since documents (paper) are in general longer than wider!

I actually think non wideangle screens have the best compromise and that wide screens are only nice when they are very big, so a vertical document still has a decent size.

I agree. I'll take vertical space over horizontal any day. Personal preference of course. YMMV.
 
sw1tcher said:
Enter Freescale's 90nm MPC7448 chip. According to AppleInsider they're showcasing the chip right now. They're saying it's going in the next rev of the PB, sometime in October 2005.

Too little too late? I mean, what with Apple switching to Intel and all...


Can you say vaporware? I can. Apple isn't going to invest any major time or effort into another G4 based laptop. Unless it can literally be dropped into the current PowerBook line without any retooling I'm thinking not and there is this from the AI article:

In the meantime, Freescale said the MPC7448 -- which has been sampling since February -- is planned to be in full production in October 2005. The chip will likely begin showing up in Apple laptop-based systems shortly thereafter, offering a substantial increase in battery performance and slight speed boost over today's systems.

Great. Better battery perf and only a slight speed boost. Just what we've all been waiting for. :rolleyes:
 
Tilmitt said:
1280x1024 is 5:4. To have 4:3 (which is less square) you would need 1280x960. I certainly hope Apple do not release a 1280x1024 display, why people buy them i'll never understand.
Most non-widescreen 17" and cheap 19" LCDs are native 1280x1024 at the moment, and I'm just "used to" that resolution, when speaking of the next step above 1024x768. Of course 1280x960 would suit the nice little 4:3 screen of an iBook better... ;)

...though with the extra "height" I could have two full A4 document in 100% side by side on screen without scrolling horizontally or vertically...

...hmm... I want a 12" 5:4 screen iBook... :cool:
 
Spazmodius said:
2005 is going to be one long freaking year for Mac mobile users.


The last 2.5 years have been one freaking long wait for Mac mobile wanna be switcher users. :( Show me a dual core Pentium M PowerBook and I will show Apple 3 grand in my hand NOW...
 
weezer160 said:
The Greeks were always astounded at the beauty of certain ratios and realized that 1.6 (which is standard widescreen by the way) is a very pleasent ratio. It's also probably related to how peripherial vision works - our minds work in the panaramic sense, not vertical.

Phi, 1.6180339887… :) You find it everywhere
 
SiliconAddict said:
The last 2.5 years have been one freaking long wait for Mac mobile wanna be switcher users. :( Show me a dual core Pentium M PowerBook and I will show Apple 3 grand in my hand NOW...

Oh, dayum, it's awful isn't it. I am, by my own choice, switching in a week from having a PowerBook provided to me by my employer to a dual G5 tower that will sit on my desk at work...because I pretty much have to. It's either that or dump the Mac entirely. I somtimes have to process and analyze stacks of images hundreds of megabytes in size apiece, using Photoshop, ImageJ, etc., and my poor old TiBook started feeling painfully slow about two years ago. Now that the lease is up, I'd be nuts to get another PB. Yeah, it's great to be portable, but I spend way, waaay too much time staring at the SBOD and twiddling my thumbs. Another three years with a G4 at 1.67GHz isn't anywhere near enough power. It'll feel slow the moment I get it.

So...now that I soon will be saying goodbye to having free access to a portable Mac, what are my options? For what I'd get for my money, the 15" Al book just isn't worth it. I'm better off just hanging on to my old dual 800 Quicksilver, which can actually beat the PB at some Photoshop tasks that are dual-processor-aware. I could get an iBook, but the crap resolution leaves so little room for actual workspace once you open up all the requisite toolbars, I have to ask myself, why bother?

I'm thinking, at this point, I might just get a refurb 12" iBook, spend no more than 800 bucks, just so I can still surf wireless and maybe bang out an email from my couch like I'm accustomed to now. I'll do real work chained to my desk at home when not at work...and wait the year or more for a laptop from Apple actually worth the money.

And a long wait it shall be.
 
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SiliconAddict said:
Take a look at the world around you. In 5 years you won't be able to get a TV that isn't widescreen. Movies have been widescreen since the beginning.
OK While I agree with you, I just have to make a small correction. All movies were 4:3 or 1.33:1 (known as Academy ratio) from 1932 until the early 1950's when Hollywood started experimenting with various increased screen sizes to fend off the competition of television. Since then there have been a whole slew of competing film formats and ratios:

Cinerama (1952) 2.59
Cinemascope (1953) 2.35
VistaVision (1954) various between 1.85 and 2
SuperScope (1954) 2.35
Todd-AO (1955) 2.20
Technirama (1957) 2.35
Ultra Panavision (1957) 2.76
Super Panavision 70 (1959) 2.21

NTSC 1.33
Digital TV 1.78
Apple Cinema Display 1.6
 
SiliconAddict said:
Can you say vaporware? I can. Apple isn't going to invest any major time or effort into another G4 based laptop. Unless it can literally be dropped into the current PowerBook line without any retooling I'm thinking not

The 7448 is pin compatible with the 7447A.
 
marmanold said:
Wish they'd go ahead and give us the iBook with Intel... I'm majoring in MIS and minoring in CS and it'd be nice to be able to run Visual Studios .Net at home instead of having to always program in the lab. (That is assuming Windows XP would run out of the box on my iBook... actually kind of a dirty throught, o well, it'd be useful none the less.)

Sounds like you just need to buy a cheap, basic PC for home so you can get your university work done effectively. Sometimes a PC is the right answer.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
Just to nitpick, but HDTV can also be 1280x768 which gives a 1.67 ratio... ;)
OK, but the ratios I gave were screen size (physical) as opposed to resolution sizes (x pixels by y pixels) as not all pixels are square. For example broadcast ntsc uses a .9 pixel ratio, to animorphicaly compress a 720x480 (dvd resolution) onto a 4:3 screen (640x480) (yes I know that the math on that one doesn't quite work out right either, but then we get into the whole issue of overscanning)
 
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