Will 3G Solve problems ?

dino26

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Considering the problems with the WIFI only do you think the models that will come with 3G have been resolved of the wifi connection issue.


Ie do you think they have moved where the antenna from behind the apple logo and place it at a different part of the ipad to boost signal strength

dino26 :apple:
 

bbtrinet

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Considering the problems with the WIFI only do you think the models that will come with 3G have been resolved of the wifi connection issue.


Ie do you think they have moved where the antenna from behind the apple logo and place it at a different part of the ipad to boost signal strength

dino26 :apple:
Ummm..... No.

Do you realize how long it takes for
a) a problem to be found
b) the problem to be analyzed
c) the engineers to make a new design
d) the design sent to manufacturing
e) the design actually manufactured
f) the new device actually arriving in the store

This would take MONTHS.

I don't think most people on here realize how long something takes to do. They expect everything to happen overnight.
 

sandydlc

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Fix for wifi connection issues!!

If you have WEP security on your network, try disabling and use Mac filtering instead. I set up my Sprint Overdrive like this today and my wifi connection issues are gone.

My belief is that the iPad is set up to disconnect from the wifi when it senses no activity in order to conserve power. When it attempts to reconnect it sometimes loses the password settings for your router. By disabling WEP and using Mac filtering instead, you create a more stable and more secure environment since you are explicitly defining the users allowed to connect to your network.

I haven't had wifi issues when connected to public networks but at least for secured networks, this seems to resolve the problem. After several days of aggravation I was grateful to have resolved my problems!!

Sandy
 

Pared

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Are the issues only WEP security?

People still actually use that today?
 

CarboysDesire

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No, for the reasons above AND...I read an article yesterday that says that as many Wifi problems as there are it probably equates to about 3% of the total Wifi units sold. They're not going to delay the 3G to fix a minor problem that the vast majority will not have.
 

xraydoc

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I have no wifi issues whatsoever, for what ever that is worth. None at home, work or via wifi tethering with my Motorola Droid.

But, the 3G models will have a separate cell antennae strip along the top edge. It wont use the Apple logo RF window for 3G connectivity (though I presume the wifi antennae will still be in the same location).
 

bperrella

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CarboysDesire said:
Sorry, if this is a dumb question but I still use PCs (sue me!)...is Mac filtering an option for me?
Yes its a feature of the router not the pc. MAC stands for machine address not mac as in macintosh
 

avaloncourt

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Sorry, if this is a dumb question but I still use PCs (sue me!)...is Mac filtering an option for me?
This has nothing to do with PC or Mac. MAC stands for Media Access Control and every network device has a unique one. It's the number similar to: 00-B0-D0-86-BB-F7 which identifies the manufacturer of the device plus a unique "serial number" type of an assignment combined.

You can limit access to a router/access point by only allowing certain MAC addresses. It's terrible security because there are many ways to spoof a MAC address but it's something (not much) if you decide to turn off security.
 

CarboysDesire

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Thank you all! :)


I actually do not have my iPad yet since I have a 3G on order, but when it arrives and IF I have a Wifi problem I will keep this in mind.
 

Vid

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This has nothing to do with PC or Mac. MAC stands for Media Access Control and every network device has a unique one. It's the number similar to: 00-B0-D0-86-BB-F7 which identifies the manufacturer of the device plus a unique "serial number" type of an assignment combined.

You can limit access to a router/access point by only allowing certain MAC addresses. It's terrible security because there are many ways to spoof a MAC address but it's something (not much) if you decide to turn off security.

Yep, better than nothing but not secure in the slightest. Not that WEP is any better. Also keep in mind that without WEP everything will be sent in the clear and subject to simple snooping.

So make sure every piece of information you don't want your neighbors to know is sent with SSL and just accept that if they want to they can see everything you search for and nearly every webpage you open.
 

iLiveUdie

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This is not going to be an overnight fix....the word may not even have reached Apple executives yet...
 

CarboysDesire

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Yep, better than nothing but not secure in the slightest. Not that WEP is any better. Also keep in mind that without WEP everything will be sent in the clear and subject to simple snooping.

So make sure every piece of information you don't want your neighbors to know is sent with SSL and just accept that if they want to they can see everything you search for and nearly every webpage you open.

OK, another dumb question:

How exactly can they know what I am sending? I know that I am not smart enough to see what they are doing. I doubt they really care what I am doing, but if they did...how is that done?
 

alex2792

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It's not a hardware issue, I never have problems at my house but when I go to my parents' place I have major problems to the point where I end up just tethering it with MiWi to get reliable connection. I tried resetting their router, assigning static ip for the iPad with no luck:mad:
 

avaloncourt

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OK, another dumb question:

How exactly can they know what I am sending? I know that I am not smart enough to see what they are doing. I doubt they really care what I am doing, but if they did...how is that done?
It's quite easy. There are "sniffers" readily available which will record everything that's being transmitted wirelessly without encryption. They can look for your email login and password (these are sent in the clear with most POP3 services). Then they can look at your email, find out who you bank with, request a "lost password" recovery with your bank, get it from your email, erase the bank's message and they're in to your bank account. People who have bad intentions have lots of reasons to look at your data. There's enough unencrypted data out there to make getting at the encrypted stuff of yours fairly easy.
 

dino26

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This is not going to be an overnight fix....the word may not even have reached Apple executives yet...
So apple don't know that there have been wifi problems despite giving advice on these problems .

If it's the wifi behind the apple logo can they not simply move the atenna over for future 3G or wifi models.

Also to all the UK peeps out there my ISP is Sky Broadband and I have the black router is my key wep or wap ? , It is protected by a password (not sure difference between wep or wap)
 

alex2792

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So apple don't know that there have been wifi problems despite giving advice on these problems .

If it's the wifi behind the apple logo can they not simply move the atenna over for future 3G or wifi models.

Also to all the UK peeps out there my ISP is Sky Broadband and I have the black router is my key wep or wap ? , It is protected by a password (not sure difference between wep or wap)
Wep key is computer generated, it's just random numbers and letters while Wap is a key you can make up yourself. Generally Wep sucks for security so Wap or better yet Wap2 is highly recommended.
 

Nash Bridges

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Considering the problems with the WIFI only do you think the models that will come with 3G have been resolved of the wifi connection issue.


Ie do you think they have moved where the antenna from behind the apple logo and place it at a different part of the ipad to boost signal strength

dino26 :apple:
I don't think that they will move the antenna for the 3G model. The way they design things now the way to look at it is that the WiFi models are actually the WiFi + 3G models without the 3G radios.

I am planning on getting a 64GB WiFi + 3G, but will not do so until I see Apple address the current WiFi issue. Telling people to reconfigure their dual band routers is a joke. If there are 3 other devices in the same location working off of the router than the iPad should as well.

The WiFi issue might just take a bite out of Apple, as something as elementary to the devices function should not be having any widespread issues.
 

3goldens

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Funny, I have no issues. I think this is a load of crap! A few people have some issues which is probably not an iPad thing but a connection problem and it becomes this whole big thing......
 

CarboysDesire

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An article yesterday estimated the # of people with Wifi problems at 3%. I wouldn't hold off on buying a 3G because 3% are having problems. Even if they are wrong and it's double, or 6%...the odds are VERY GOOD that you won't be one of them.


The article is at PC World:

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/193889/bugs_and_fixes_how_widespread_are_ipad_wifi_problems.html

From the article:


"...• It's hard to estimate exactly how many people have any problem at all here. For what it's worth, my iPad's Wi-Fi connection has been nearly flawless. I have had occasional problems with streaming video when I am in a different room from the router. But these are intermittent; a hour later all will be well. To be fair, I have had similar problems with my MacBook Pro.

On Thursday, I asked my Twitter followers to let me know if they've had any of the reported symptoms. The number of people who confirmed having a problem? Zero.

Bear in mind that more than 450,000 iPads have been sold. Compare that to the 300 or so people reporting a problem on Apple's Discussions Boards. For the sake of argument, let's guess that the real number of people having a problem is more like 50X the 300 number. That's 15,000 problem iPads (which is probably a worst case scenario). Admittedly, this is a number you wouldn't want to ignore. But it's also only a little more than 3 percent of all iPad owners. And this assumes that all of these people have correctly diagnosed the iPad as the primary cause of the problem.

Bottom line: If you buy an iPad, there's a risk you'll have a Wi-Fi related problem. That's true. But at least for now, it appears that the risk is small, easy-to-implement workarounds exist, and a true fix should not require any hardware modifications."
 

iLiveUdie

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I would hold off the 3G also if what you are worried about is problems...just wait for the next model
 

Nash Bridges

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Funny, I have no issues. I think this is a load of crap! A few people have some issues which is probably not an iPad thing but a connection problem and it becomes this whole big thing......
When there have been thousands of messages posted by owners regarding this how can you totally discount it?
 

dino26

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Wep key is computer generated, it's just random numbers and letters while Wap is a key you can make up yourself. Generally Wep sucks for security so Wap or better yet Wap2 is highly recommended.
mm i think my sky router is WEP though my connection to XBOX live , ps3 , and ipod touch all seem fine.


I just dont want the ipad to fail on it .