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Will Android L keep you on Android?

I am perfectly happy with 4.4 and don't like a lot of the changes in L. But we will see. My phone needs are relatively basic. As long as GPS, texting, calling etc. all work without being a pain in the ass I can live with it.
 
Black Magic said:
So for battery drain issues, I have read it often in these very forums and as recent as last week. Here is a link to another site that claims it as well:

Linky

Regarding actual issues with the Skype app, just look above to poster I was responding too. Clearly he is having some issues with Skype on his phone.
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That link actually disproves your statement. You stated ......

Black Magic said:
Microsoft makes Skype. Microsoft is a competitor to Apple. Skype is also known as a serious battery draining app. It's crappy code and it's a third party app from a competitor that makes the iPhone experience crappy. People like you who can't see the forrest through the trees blame Apple which is exactly what Microsoft would want. Have you started shopping for a Windows phone yet? 🙄
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Sure any app that stays running drains some battery, but that link just shows that Sykpe is actually one that has little effect on battery life. The Hog Detail in that screenshot speaks for itself. Serious battery draining? I think not.

Now what source do you have to claim what's in bold in your statement?
 
LIVEFRMNYC said:
That link actually disproves your statement. You stated ......



Sure any app that stays running drains some battery, but that link just shows that Sykpe is actually one that has little effect on battery life. The Hog Detail in that screenshot speaks for itself. Serious battery draining? I think not.

Now what source do you have to claim what's in bold in your statement?
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Did you read the article at all?
 
LIVEFRMNYC said:
I sure did. Show me where your point is proven.
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The fact that the title says apps that drain your battery should be an indicator. A quick Google search for "Skype draining iPhone Battery" brings up tons of hits. Here is a link to the Skype forum with folks complaining:

Linky
 
Black Magic said:
Not saying that. I think that the approach Apple took by locking widgets to the pull down notification slide is an intelligent one. We are allowed to have different preferences right?
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My impression of the way iOS 8 will handle widgets, is that iOS widgets will have some rather limited functionality compared to Android widgets. If you are going to put them in the notification area, their purpose would be to primarily display information. They seem to be taking a slow approach to allowing widgets and are starting with this particular functionality.

I think this is a good approach on Apple's part based on how they like to control things. Widgets that display information would cover a large part of why people would use widgets. Perhaps in the future, they will support widgets that have functions other than displaying information. I do use some on my Android phone.

Lloydbm41 said:
In Apple's case, I don't believe they see it that way. As long as the widgets are limited to what Apple allows within the UI, they can control how it effects CPU processes and RAM. (They don't have to worry about 3rd party code inadvertantly screwing anything up. By that I mean either allowing 3rd party widgets onto the homescreen or having 3rd party apps effecting Apple's homegrown widgets, assuming those widgets were allowed onto the homescreen, that is. All widgets are housed within the notification center and therefore segregated.)

They want to ensure the UI 'looks' smooth and that the battery life is not effected. Consumer use and desires are secondary.
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The iOS home screen is a linear structure. If you add something in the middle, everything shifts over and wraps around like adding a word in a paragraph in a word processor. I think the limitation of adding widgets to the home screen has more to do with the iOS homescreen than anything else.

On Android, the home screen is a 2-dimensional structure. You can move things up and down or left and right. The Android home screen allows you to add objects larger than 1x1 and move stuff around to fit them. I just don't see home screen objects on iOS unless they change the structor of the iOS home screen.
 
Black Magic said:
The fact that the title says apps that drain your battery should be an indicator. A quick Google search for "Skype draining iPhone Battery" brings up tons of hits. Here is a link to the Skype forum with folks complaining:

Linky
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I have not experienced that. And I figure if it was a problem with the majority of users that thread would have hundreds of pages. According to your previous link it's the minority. As the test has shown, 718207 while Skype in use and 5847979 without Skype in use, with a battery impact of only 5min 25s. I think that shows the average results of drainage vs random forum posts of small pockets of people having an issue.
 
I wouldnt be so sure...
most (all?) android devices come with a homescreen widget preinstalled and enabled 😛
 
Black Magic said:
Microsoft makes Skype. Microsoft is a competitor to Apple. Skype is also known as a serious battery draining app. It's crappy code and it's a third party app from a competitor that makes the iPhone experience crappy. People like you who can't see the forrest through the trees blame Apple which is exactly what Microsoft would want. Have you started shopping for a Windows phone yet? 🙄
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To be fair, Skype is horrible on every platform, including Windows.

Also whatever happened to the messages syncing over the cloud that they planned to add forever ago? When I get a message on Skype all my devices still go crazy.
 
Nope. I've been coming back over and over again and while it's improved, it's still largely inferior.
 
digi999 said:
People in this thread severely overestimate the amount of people that actually USE home screen widgets.
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What's a more accurate number of home screen widget users?

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Black Magic said:
Not saying that. I think that the approach Apple took by locking widgets to the pull down notification slide is an intelligent one. We are allowed to have different preferences right?
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Given this exact reasoning, wouldn't you agree then that it'd be better if there was an option to put widgets wherever one would want?


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Generally speaking... personally for me, I'm more concerned actually with widgets cluttering up the pull down menu. I want to add and use widgets, but fear it'll get messy and/or cumbersome to have to pull down my notification menu, and then scroll to the widget itself. In general, I'm not a big fan of the two page pull down menu either. It means I have to swipe back and forth between Today/widgets, and my actual notifications.

iOS overall is just feeling a little cluttered. Like Apple is trying to squeeze features into any space it can find in its rigid UI structure. I think iOS was great for its time before smartphones were so prevalent -- back when they were still defining what the everyday smartphone was, where people needed a simpler OS to grasp the concept. But now, people want more. iOS is evolving, but quite slowly and in ways where it feels like Apple must find ways to implement new features, but not lose its old UI structure (essentially the app drawer). This, in my opinion, is leading to some parts of iOS 8 looking and feeling cramped and cluttered. Quick calls in the app switcher menu, for example, just feels out of place, but they really have no place else to put it.

The reason I'm growing toward Android is because it feels like a more modern UI. It had a slow, rough, even ugly start, but now it's matured and grown to feel much more relevant, adaptable to individual needs, and powerful in its own way.
 
mKTank said:
Nope. I've been coming back over and over again and while it's improved, it's still largely inferior.
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explain breifly

I miss the universal search the most in IOS devices
I still think the ios keyboard is more ACCURATE in terms of touching getting the right words
I paid 18 bucks for 1password lol

Hated itunes and having to convert music to MP4
I got a app for the movies that plays in many formats...

I kinda miss my iphone lol

But android isn't bad.

But I'm getting old, I don't want to look for s@@t, just make it work from day 1.
 
Black Magic said:
Microsoft makes Skype. Microsoft is a competitor to Apple. Skype is also known as a serious battery draining app. It's crappy code and it's a third party app from a competitor that makes the iPhone experience crappy. People like you who can't see the forrest through the trees blame Apple which is exactly what Microsoft would want. Have you started shopping for a Windows phone yet? 🙄
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LOL oh man. I love it when the fanboyism flies out so hard the person just starts using their pooper as a bibliography. Microsoft bought Skype in 2011, they've been around since 2003.

More than that, Skype's desktop app for Windows is TERRIBLE, and yet it's AWESOME on Mac. So apparently MS isn't kneecapping Skype just to be mean to Apple.

Oh wait, I know what you'll say. The program sucks on Windows because MS is incompetent, but it sucks on iOS because MS is SUCCESSFULLY making a bad app for a competing platform. Because LOGIC! 😀
 
DShap5 said:
I would really love to see this...
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30 seconds may be an exaggeration, but it shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes if you've already got the SDK tools set up. Maybe add another 5-10 min if you don't.

Unlock bootloader

Code: 
fastboot oem unlock

Flash custom recovery

Code: 
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img

Boot into recovery and choose to install zip via ADB (CWM and TWRP both have this) to flash root.

Code: 
adb sideload SuperSU.zip

Done.
 
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Lloydbm41 said:
My guess is you have never used fastboot commands in the CMD prompt before, have you?
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Your guess would be incorrect. 😉
Stooby Mcdoobie said:
30 seconds may be an exaggeration, but it shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes if you've already got the SDK tools set up. Maybe add another 5-10 min if you don't.
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Yeah, but he said literally. I'm not saying you can't do it quickly, I'm just saying the word literally may be a bit over-used.
 
SpoonCody said:
What's a more accurate number of home screen widget users?

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Given this exact reasoning, wouldn't you agree then that it'd be better if there was an option to put widgets wherever one would want?


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No. I look at widgets and try to determine a reason for them being. The reason I believe is to provide you quick access to information or settings without launching an app. If this reasoning is correct, then from an organization and user experience standpoint, widgets should be confined to notifications pull down and control center pull up. Makes sense and is intuitive without everything being all over the place.

Let's look at the user experience flow on the iPhone to get to one. This is assuming everyone uses a pin code or some form of security across all phone platforms. On the iPhone, if I want access to weather or ESPN scores, no unlock needed. I swipe down and there is my information. Need to toggle a setting? Swipe up without unlocking the phone and boom! On Android phones, you have to unlock your phone before you can get settings? I have a Galaxy S3 but I'm to lazy to go check. Same could be said for the widgets on the home screen. So if the point of widgets is quick access to info and settings, iOS allows you to get to that quicker.

With that said, I think Android L is hot and that would be the OS I would want on any potential Android phone I would buy. Ultimately, I think iOS is a more polished and thought out product which in my opinion makes it the preferred choice hands down.
 
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Black Magic said:
No. I look at widgets and try to determine a reason for them being. The reason I believe is to provide you quick access to information or settings without launching an app. If this reasoning is correct, then from an organization and user experience standpoint, widgets should be confined to notifications pull down and control center pull up. Makes sense and is intuitive without everything being all over the place.

Let's look at the user experience flow on the iPhone to get to one. This is assuming everyone uses a pin code or some form of security across all phone platforms. On the iPhone, if I want access to weather or ESPN scores, no unlock needed. I swipe down and there is my information. Need to toggle a setting? Swipe up without unlocking the phone and boom! On Android phones, you have to unlock your phone before you can get settings? I have a Galaxy S3 but I'm to lazy to go check. Same could be said for the widgets on the home screen. So if the point of widgets is quick access to info and settings, iOS allows you to get to that quicker.

With that said, I think Android L is hot and that would be the OS I would want on any potential Android phone I would buy. Ultimately, I think iOS is a more polished and thought out product which in my opinion makes it the preferred choice hands down.
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Nope, Just swipe down and click top right button to go to settings. Notifications are right there as well. It may not be the same as you are talking about though.

This is your opinion which i believe you have stated but id rather also have the option to put widgets where i want instead of confining them to the pull down window, and ill assume most would agree that more options is better. iOS getting widgets at all is nice but let me do what i want with them.

Seems you are a little iOS biased though, ....which is fine. Use what you like, it doesnt matter to me.
 
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Black Magic said:
No. I look at widgets and try to determine a reason for them being. The reason I believe is to provide you quick access to information or settings without launching an app. If this reasoning is correct, then from an organization and user experience standpoint, widgets should be confined to notifications pull down and control center pull up. Makes sense and is intuitive without everything being all over the place.

Let's look at the user experience flow on the iPhone to get to one. This is assuming everyone uses a pin code or some form of security across all phone platforms. On the iPhone, if I want access to weather or ESPN scores, no unlock needed. I swipe down and there is my information. Need to toggle a setting? Swipe up without unlocking the phone and boom! On Android phones, you have to unlock your phone before you can get settings? I have a Galaxy S3 but I'm to lazy to go check. Same could be said for the widgets on the home screen. So if the point of widgets is quick access to info and settings, iOS allows you to get to that quicker.

With that said, I think Android L is hot and that would be the OS I would want on any potential Android phone I would buy. Ultimately, I think iOS is a more polished and thought out product which in my opinion makes it the preferred choice hands down.
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Your original question: "We are allowed to have different preferences right?"

And your answer basically is "no."

You only accept the "preference" of Apple's way. That's fine, but perhaps you shouldn't be using "preference" as your argument for them.

Android allows you to include widgets in the pull down menu, and before Android L, in the lock screen menu, and of course on any home screen. That's preference.

As for quick access to settings, while I enjoy Control Center, I'm disappointed iOS 8 doesn't allow you to switch out different settings. As a 5C owner I was really hoping for that as there are things in the control center I simply don't need or want there and things I wish were there. Android doesn't allow this either by default, but by using third party widgets (e.g., power toggles is terrific), I can put quick toggle settings anywhere (home screen, pull down menu) and, more importantly, I can customize which toggles I want. Again, that's preference.
 
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