Will Apple Keep the Headphone Jack and Home Button on Ipad Pro 3

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  1. Alaxlmartin macrumors regular

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    What do you project they do:
    A. Release Premium Ipad with face recognition and tradtional like last year
    B. Go to all new design
     
  2. Dave245 macrumors 604

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    The rumour is that they will remove the home button and add Face ID and a new redesign with thinner bezels, they will also update the Apple Pencil this is according to the very reliable Bloomberg and Ming-Chi Kuo, code within IOS 11.3 also found reference to a "modern iPad" which Apple used the name "modern iPhone" in code for the iPhone X.

    I'm not sure if we will see it at WWDC or later in the year, i think if it's a redesign with Face ID we will see it at the same event as the new iPhone's and probably the Series 4 Apple Watch in September.
     
  3. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    If new iPad removes headphone jack, I would seriously consider to purchase one. You know, something that is excellent for watching videos and playing games, is able to listen to the audio with zero delay.
     
  4. akash.nu macrumors 604

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    I’ve not found any delays using any of my Bluetooth headphones ever including the AirPods.
     
  5. ducatisteve macrumors newbie

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    I use my 10.5" with wired headphones and the AirPods and don't notice any difference in delay or latency. The Bluetooth with the AirPods is good/fast enough that I would be confident editing video with them.
     
  6. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    My guess would be that the headphone jack will stay as I see no urgent need for Apple to remove it.

    Unlike on the iPhones, the internal space gain is rather negligible, and it wouldn‘t allow Apple to put more speakers on the iPad like it did with the iPhone. Water resistance would be the only reason I could think of for Apple to remove it, but I doubt Apple is in a hurry to get that feature onto iPads – after all, how often do you pull out your iPad while walking down a rainy road, or get it into the close proximity of a pool/watery area. On the iPhone, the removal of the jack allowed for all these other features but on the iPad it might just not be a necessity in order to move forward.

    Something else to consider is that Apple wants the iPad to be a laptop replacement whenever possible, and they kept the headphone jack on the MBs and redesigned MBPs as the only port besides USB-C, so if you consider the iPad to be closer to the MacBooks than to the iPhone then it would make sense for the jack to stay aswell. And that‘s the direction where Apple is heavily pushing the iPad Pro both software- and hardware-wise for the last few years.

    That said, the 2018 iPad Pros are rumored to be the possibly largest iPad update to date with a big design update, Face ID, no (or reduced) bezels and an iPhone X-ish gesture control scheme. If Apple does want to remove the headphone jack from the iPads anytime soon then this year would be the best opportunity to do it, they could easily excuse it through the new design and would have plenty of new shiny features to make up for it, more so than the last couple of years where the design remained mostly unchanged and where the port removal would have been harder to justify.
     
  7. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    However when I use AirPods to play music games, the delay is so obvious that the game is essentially unplayable. Well, not quite “unplayable” but significantly impacts the performance.
    Backed by awful sound quality, I am not confident enough to let AirPods replace my two wired Earphones.
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    Well good for you then.
    I can easily find noticeable delay. Really annoying.
     
  8. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    That‘s weird. I‘m in the same boat as the others, use my AirPods daily and never had any noticeable delay even when gaming, watching movies and the like. You might want to check if the delay also happens with other headphones or if you use the AirPods with a different device? This definitely shouldn‘t be happening and if it can‘t be fixed by re-pairing them or troubleshooting then it‘s likely that you have a faulty unit.
     
  9. Hubcapjw macrumors member

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    I never understood the controversy with the headphone jack. I have never used my headphone jack on any of the iPads I have owned. I have used it on my iPhone though but once they got rid of it I have switched to BT and I couldn’t be happier. With the price reduction in BT technology these days one can find a decent headset at a decent price. You don’t always have to buy the most expensive set.
     
  10. Ffosse macrumors 68000

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    I've never used the headphone jack on any of my iPads. Then, I've never used the Air Pods with them either, preferring BT phones of some audio quality which the Air Pods aren't.
     
  11. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    You don’t play the same type of game I am playing. AirPods cannot connect other devices that is not from Apple. Delay disappears when I use wired headphone. The delay is just the nature of wireless device.
     
  12. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    You‘re wrong about the AirPods not being able to connect to non-Apple devices, they absolutely can. You just won‘t get the convenient one-step-pairing and easy device-switching with for example a Windows machine or an Android device.

    Again, the delay is not nature of wireless devices, it should not be happening and if it does with your AirPods then there‘s definitely something wrong, either hardware- or software-wise. I‘ve used AirPods and multiple other Bluetooth headphones in both the Apple and Windows world and there is usually no delay unless something‘s wrong.

    You might be right about me not playing the same games as I do although I‘m not sure how that is relevant here.
     
  13. The Game 161 macrumors P6

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    Sounds like home button will be gone

    Not sure how well that will work on a tablet when it’s on the desk flat but will see
     
  14. MikaLoop macrumors member

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    Personally, I like the home button, but it's okay if others don't.
     
  15. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    Delay IS the nature of Bluetooth device, or any wireless device in general. But you can keep your own opinion. I have tried many Bluetooth headphones. None of them are particularly good in terms of delay. AirPods is somehow the better one, but that’s about it.

    And regarding of the connection, I tried and I could not see AirPods no matter how hard I try. I have a windows PC with Bluetooth chipset and they can connect with iPhone but not AirPods. Maybe your windows is different than mine.

    It’s pretty pointless to argue here when we have distinct usage scenario and distinct experience. As you know, something that works for me does not mean it works for you and vice versa. I guess we can settle down here for good.
     
  16. CE3 macrumors 65816

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    I notice no discernible delay on my Bose Bluetooth headphones for things like watching movies on the iPad. Same thing with the AirPods I owned for awhile. Now if I was trying to record audio (music, voiceover, podcast) Bluetooth headphones would not be ideal and the latency would likely get in the way. A lot of people use iPads for audio and music production, and even though many of those same people would also have an audio interface with a dedicated headphone jack, I think it will stay on the iPad for now.

    Why would they remove the home button? If I had to do the same gestures on a 10-13” display that one does on a small iPhone X that would be a huge ergonomic step backwards.

    I hope both will stay.
     
  17. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    Alright, it‘s probably best to agree-to-disagree here then. I still think any user-noticeable delay shouldn‘t be happening but you‘re right in that I don‘t know your setup or usage scenarios therefore so be it.
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    Actually, would it be? Being able to swipe up from the entire bottom portion of the screen in order to multitask/return to the homescreen as opposed to being forced to press a teeny-tiny button to me who will constantly be on another side of the device depending on how you hold it would seem like a progress to me in terms of usability/ergonomics. But I see how people would miss it. After using the X, the home button navigation to me personally feels outdated even on the iPad and the gesture controls feel much more natural. I think they would translate nicely onto the larger screen but again that‘s just my opinion.
     
  18. CE3, Feb 27, 2018
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    CE3 macrumors 65816

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    Maybe you’re right about the home button, but I can already swipe up to multitask and return home. Perhaps I should get used to the gesture! Sometimes it takes multiple attempts though.. like if I swipe up from the bottom with a web browser open it might scroll the page first, or if I’m typing with the onscreen keyboard (like I am now) I need to collapse it..and either way the dock will always come up first. I also don’t want to lose Touch ID (but if the iPad gets Face ID, it better not get that notch).
     
  19. subjonas macrumors 68000

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    I don’t know what Apple will do, but other than wanting the lightning port to get some major upgrades, there’s really nothing I want changed on my 12.9 iPad Pro hardware.

    It’s a great screen size for drawing and productivity, especially with split screen. I wouldn’t want it smaller. The bezels make the device easy to manipulate without touching the screen. I wouldn’t want them reduced. Lighter weight is always better, I suppose, but I have no issues with the current weight. But that may be because I don’t try to use it for casual consumption like I would with a smaller iPad. For that I have my mini. I want it to retain the 3.5mm jack for no latency audio when editing and recording tracks, and also so that I can continue working using wired headphones when my Bluetooth headphones run out of battery. I want the home button to stay for Touch ID, which I prefer. I don’t want Touch ID under the screen because I like having a tactile place to put my finger which simultaneously turns on the device and unlocks it (and since I want the bezel to stay anyway).

    Change is exciting, but sometimes things are designed so thoughtfully and well that changing them can make them worse. My POV anyway.
     
  20. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah the swipe-up gesture for multitasking (and for Control Center on the iPhone) will sometimes not trigger well when there are other buttons right at the bottom of the screen, probably to differentiate when such a bottom is pressed and when the user actually wants to swipe up. I would guess this issue is fixed with an „iPad X“ as it will most certainly have the home bar at the bottom to prevent this.

    Generally it seems to me like the new swipe-up gestures on the iPad are a first step towards the gesture control of an upcoming X model, Apple would only need to add an option to return to the Home Screen with a single swipe (as opposed to swipe up into multitasking menu and tap the background) add a Home Bar and make the gestures more iPhone X-ish in behavior, visuals and feel.
     
  21. ACST Suspended

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    3.5 probably yes, home button probably no.
     
  22. augustya macrumors 68030

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    Home button on the iPad now looks primitive ! And it should most definitely go !!
     
  23. MikaLoop macrumors member

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    Okay? Some people have opinions different than yours. Shocking right?!?
     
  24. Septembersrain Contributor

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    No home button or headphone jack?

    I already don't want that on a phone! Why would I like it on an iPad I unlock sideways because I only use it for video streaming services? I like my current headphones as they don't need to be charged. It would be a PITA to need to charge my headphones in the middle of a show...

    I'm not buying multiple BT headphones when one set does the job just fine with a wire and headphone jack!
     
  25. afir93 macrumors 6502a

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    I hear you, however in case of unlocking the device, I think the lack of a home button would be a progress as you could always swipe up from the entire bottom of the screen where your hands most likely are anyway, independently of the device‘s orientation.

    The home button is a (compared to the iPad size) tiny button who is always on a different side depending on how/in which orientation you hold your device. You have to physically reach up with your finger to the exact spot of the home button, and hit it with the right spot of your finger so that it unlocks via Touch ID. With iPhone X controls? Just flick up anywhere on the entire bottom portion of the screen, that‘s it.

    About the headphones I agree, not needing to charge them or being afraid to run out of charge is still one of the main upsides of wired headphones (and this is coming from someone who personally loves his AirPods and BeatsX). However it‘s still possible that the headphone jack will survive the „iPad X“-redesign and stay for a while, depending on what other changes Apple makes with the device.
     

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