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I can understand consumer laptops having to use dongles and such, but on business that stuff should already be there! And from what I know the Thinkpads and latitudes still comes with easily replace and acces to hard drives and ram slots, even the thin ones and ultrabooks.

Using thunderbolt for docking is pretty good though.

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So if I'm understanding you right, this isn't "why doesn't apple make a computer for business applications" its a case of "why doesn't Apple make a computer for the IT department spec fetish people regardless of the feature's impact on business use?"
 
Even business people trend to be "chic" the ONLY reason why apple has this awful aluminum-design is the "show-effect" … aluminum is something for pretenders. has nothing to do with hiTec.



You are totally wrong, they ARE plastic. Everywhere in the industry, where hiTec and lightweight is important, aluminum is about to be replaced more and more by "plastics" - look at Boeing and Airbus. And even the new Mac Pro…
Especially in the era of wireless communication, it is ridiculous to cage them in a metal cage… BTW therefore the iP5c had BETTER results in communication than the aluminum one…



OMG !!!

You use NOTHING BUT public WiFi for business communication?
Did you ever hear the word "data-security" in your live?

Serious people do connect their laptop with the LAN, maybe by cellular, but never-ever WiFi in a hotel.

The reason apple abandoned all the nice ports others still have in their business-laptops is the fetishism of their designer to get the MBPs slimmer and slimmer …


INSTEAD OF guarding the form factor and …

1) implement MORE battery ---> would work longer in a hard BUSINESS DAY…
2) still having the chance to deliver LAN-, TB-, USB3-, …. ports ---> stressless connection with ALL BUSINESS-PArners (MBP 2011/2012 had not even USB3!!!)
3) abandon the ridiculous "retina" Screen full of glares and mirroring, and present a antiglare-Screen as before (until 2012) - would demand less energy either… a antiglare-OLED screen instead of an LCD would be a REAL Innovation, not the make-up-mirror, called "retina"
4) ….. and so on…

BTW: Jonathan Ive is not a "Designer" at all - he is just a stylist.

Once apple stood for "Form follows function" - now (tragically) it is more and more like "function follows shiny glitter"

This post just proved how little you know...

First of all, you just tried to claim Boeing and Airbus are using plastic instead of aluminum for aircraft frames and bodies. Composite materials (which are stronger and lighter than aluminum), yes - but not plastics. That's also completely irrelevant to the topic at hand even if true.

Apple uses the aluminum unibody because it creates something plastic laptop bodies can't have on their own - structural support. Plastic/composite models have to have some sort of internal framework, which means added weight and more connection points between frame and body. Since the unibody design integrated the framework and body into one piece, it's a more durable design.

The retina screen actually has LESS glare than the non-retina glossy screen of the cMBP, and it's a much better screen for extended use. Also, the number of people who want/prefer an anti-glare screen is growing smaller by the day, so your points on that matter are null and void as well. But your remarks on the retina screen indicate you've never used one yourself to know what it's actually like.

The point on "stressless connections" (I think that's what you were trying to say) is also ridiculous, as the number/type of ports has never been a significant barrier to inclusion of these models in the workplace - just a barrier to old-school IT guys who think ports are the answer to everything.

To call Ive a "stylist" is ridiculous at best. There's a reason he's a VP and has been given significantly MORE control under Tim Cook's leadership, and a reason he was one of Jobs' most trusted employees. Just because you don't like the products based on your own misguided, misinformed opinions doesn't mean Ive doesn't design things.
 
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This post just proved how little you know...

First of all, you just tried to claim Boeing and Airbus are using plastic instead of aluminum for aircraft frames and bodies. Composite materials (which are stronger and lighter than aluminum), yes - but not plastics. That's also completely irrelevant to the topic at hand even if true.

Apple uses the aluminum unibody because it creates something plastic laptop bodies can't have on their own - structural support. Plastic/composite models have to have some sort of internal framework, which means added weight and more connection points between frame and body. Since the unibody design integrated the framework and body into one piece, it's a more durable design.

The retina screen actually has LESS glare than the non-retina glossy screen of the cMBP, and it's a much better screen for extended use. Also, the number of people who want/prefer an anti-glare screen is growing smaller by the day, so your points on that matter are null and void as well. But your remarks on the retina screen indicate you've never used one yourself to know what it's actually like.

The point on "stressless connections" (I think that's what you were trying to say) is also ridiculous, as the number/type of ports has never been a significant barrier to inclusion of these models in the workplace - just a barrier to old-school IT guys who think ports are the answer to everything.

To call Ive a "stylist" is ridiculous at best. There's a reason he's a VP and has been given significantly MORE control under Tim Cook's leadership, and a reason he was one of Jobs' most trusted employees. Just because you don't like the products based on your own misguided, misinformed opinions doesn't mean Ive doesn't design things.

First of all:

When I talk about "plastics" I talk about hi-tech-Plastics - this includes composit-technologies. "plastics" is the word of apple-fans to talk about other companies products… yes…. just before the iPhone 5c and the new MacPro. Which, of course, are made of "plastics" …. :D

second:

The retina screen actually has LESS glare than the non-retina glossy screen of the cMBP, and it's a much better screen for extended use.

I did NOT talk about other glossy screens, I talked about REAL comfortable screens - like the one of my MBP 2011 (then, 1680x1050 was "hiRes") completely antiglare and extremely good and sufficient sharp to work with.
So, I am NOT refering to the even worse screens with even more glares than the rMBP now.

But your remarks on the retina screen indicate you've never used one yourself to know what it's actually like.

YES, I had the retinas in my hands - nothing good to say about the new glaring, extremely reflecting horrible screens. Be it retina or not - they are more like make-up mirrors.

But YOU do perhaps not know about and did never work with professional hiRes antiglare Screens?


Also, the number of people who want/prefer an anti-glare screen is growing smaller by the day, so your points on that matter are null and void as well.

well - I read in the internet-forums at that very start of "retina" mirrors in apple products the disappointed commentaries of longtime-apple users like photographs and so on - they ran for other solutions than glaring screens.

The problem is, that industry ignores peoples interest for NON-glaring screens. And the customers know they ignore. Claiming their interests will NOTHING change at apple INC. - see USB3, antiglare or just antenna gate, GPU-desasters in MBP and so on.

Your knowledge about good design might be not too good.

Look - just for example - at the work of Dieter Rams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams

Jonathan Ive will never reach him at all - although he feels like his grandson… Ive talking about Rams every time this iconic designer in public means not at all that he really understood Rams...Rams would never ever have accepted this horrible new apple-Glitter-design.

And: You pretend not to understand that selling a MBP in 2011/2012 with USB2 instead of USB3 is nothing than the "connectivity-stress" of middle-age IT in business? poor guy.

The prove that I am right: after 2012 apple understood and implemented USB3 in MDP.

So - Jonathan Ive did not even understand that for 2 long years….

It is very amusing how you fanboys strictly ignore every FACTS I presented, like the GPU-scandal in MBP 2011/2012 - tens of thousand of angry customers had to make pressure for several YEARS to get their MBP repaired - most of them had them already thrown away longtime ago …

Yes, that is the policy of a arrogant enterprise-giant, even Jobs told us some years ago "You are holding it wrong!" :roll eyes: - and you shurely believed that B…s…
For you Fanboys, apple produces no bugs (like with IOS8 and OSX 10.10 without stop) - for you, that are real FEATURES, not? ;-)
 
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First of all:

When I talk about "plastics" I talk about hi-tech-Plastics - this includes composit-technologies. "plastics" is the word of apple-fans to talk about other companies products… yes…. just before the iPhone 5c and the new MacPro. Which, of course, are made of "plastics" …. :D

Changing your definition mid-thread doesn't make it right.

second:



I did NOT talk about other glossy screens, I talked about REAL comfortable screens - like the one of my MBP 2011 (then, 1680x1050 was "hiRes") completely antiglare and extremely good and sufficient sharp to work with.
So, I am NOT refering to the even worse screens with even more glares than the rMBP now.



YES, I had the retinas in my hands - nothing good to say about the new glaring, extremely reflecting horrible screens. Be it retina or not - they are more like make-up mirrors.

But YOU do perhaps not know about and did never work with professional hiRes antiglare Screens?

I've worked with literally hundreds of different types of screens, and anti-glare screens typically trade off sharpness and clarity in order to reduce glare. The Retina screen manages to reduce glare significantly in comparison to a traditional glossy screen. In fact, none of the reviews out there have called the retina screens "glaring, extremely reflecting horrible screens" or something even close to that. And in my experience, there is virtually no glare with the retina displays.


well - I read in the internet-forums at that very start of "retina" mirrors in apple products the disappointed commentaries of longtime-apple users like photographs and so on - they ran for other solutions than glaring screens.

The problem is, that industry ignores peoples interest for NON-glaring screens. And the customers know they ignore. Claiming their interests will NOTHING change at apple INC. - see USB3, antiglare or just antenna gate, GPU-desasters in MBP and so on.

Not everything you read on the internet is true, especially on forums where the majority of people are there just to complain. I'd recommend drawing from a group more representative of the userbase as a whole.


Your knowledge about good design might be not too good.

Look - just for example - at the work of Dieter Rams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Rams

Jonathan Ive will never reach him at all - although he feels like his grandson… Ive talking about Rams every time this iconic designer in public means not at all that he really understood Rams...Rams would never ever have accepted this horrible new apple-Glitter-design.

There is no universal consensus on what constitutes "good design" and THERE NEVER WILL BE. Your tastes clearly differ from mine and the majority of Apple customers, and you have no clue whatsoever regarding the level of familiarity Ive has with Rams or his work, so stop playing the "I know more than you" card when you clearly don't.


And: You pretend not to understand that selling a MBP in 2011/2012 with USB2 instead of USB3 is nothing than the "connectivity-stress" of middle-age IT in business? poor guy.

The prove that I am right: after 2012 apple understood and implemented USB3 in MDP.

You mean where I said that the alleged "stress" ONLY exists in the minds of old-school IT guys resistant to change? Nothing you claim is proving you're right, just that you're too stubborn to admit when you may be wrong.

It is very amusing how you fanboys strictly ignore every FACTS I presented, like the GPU-scandal in MBP 2011/2012 - tens of thousand of angry customers had to make pressure for several YEARS to get their MBP repaired - most of them had them already thrown away longtime ago …

Yes, that is the policy of a arrogant enterprise-giant, even Jobs told us some years ago "You are holding it wrong!" :roll eyes: - and you shurely believed that B…s…
For you Fanboys, apple produces no bugs (like with IOS8 and OSX 10.10 without stop) - for you, that are real FEATURES, not? ;-)

Nobody is dumb enough to claim that Apple produces only bug-free hardware and apps, even the buggiest release of Mac OS or OS X was far more stable and reliable than some of Microsoft's disasters (Windows ME, Windows 3, Vista, Windows 8, Windows Phone). You just like to misappropriate the "fanboy" label to try to denigrate people who don't agree with you and actually call you out on your "facts". Here's a novel concept - stop trying to presume what I think, because you don't know a thing about me.
 
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Things like easy acces to replace parts that malfunction, things like ethernet and VGA, docing port underneath to dock the computer for expansion, some more security stuff

You have obviously not taking apart a Lenovo T440s/450s/X240/x250vs T460s! I have, about 20 of each thus far! Try replacing a keyboard on either or even the ram. Much easier on the X/T 460 models: less screws and clips too!

And dont mention the ***** implementation of the trackpoint or trackpad!!!
 
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