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Correct. But keyboard and mouse are moot to your comment since they are independent and all solutions need them.
The iMac doesn't need them, they come in the box together with integrated speakers, subwoofers and webcam.
With AIOs when any individual component needs upgrading the whole setup is affected.
So you upgrade the whole setup. People are perfectly fine with upgrading iPhones, iPads and MacBooks, but an iMac is terrible for being an AIO? Despite not being carried around to places where it can be dropped, cracked, drowned, bend, scratched or shattered. And not having an internal glued-in battery, which will definitely die during the lifetime of the device.
You ignore the display, which is very important. Displays wear out and/or folks change their display needs separately from whatever they are changing in their performance needs. It is a huge benefit to have display independent of computer. IMO better to have everything separate, including using iPhone as webcam.
On the contrary, it's a huge disadvantage to have a separate display. Why were iPhone 4 and iPad 3 the first devices with a retina display? Why was the 2014 iMac the first computer with a 5K screen and the iPad Pro 2017 the first device with ProMotion? Because every innovation in display technology goes hand-in-hand with a cpu, gpu and connection bandwidth upgrade.

Every display is made for a certain generation of computer hardware, you can't upgrade them separately unless you live in a world where there is no display innovation whatsoever. And that's exactly what you get by separating the components in a Windows PC. Everything needs to stick within the boundaries of a long obsolete connection standard or otherwise it will break compatibility left and right.

I'm not on a Mac because I want the Mac to become a PC.
 
The AIO design remains more elegant in its operation, but there is one thing Apple could do to fix that.
Release a Studio Display that can be powered by a Mac Mini or Studio without the need of a second power cable.
That interesting but (at least for a Mac mini) it might be easier to do it the other way around. Plug the display into the wall and then power the mini via a USB-C/Thunderbolt. This is commonly done with laptops and external displays.The SoC mini’s actual power requirements are modest. There is even a hack to power a mini solely via Ethernet, see
 
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The iMac doesn't need them, they come in the box together with integrated speakers, subwoofers and webcam.

So you upgrade the whole setup. People are perfectly fine with upgrading iPhones, iPads and MacBooks, but an iMac is terrible for being an AIO? Despite not being carried around to places where it can be dropped, cracked, drowned, bend, scratched or shattered. And not having an internal glued-in battery, which will definitely die during the lifetime of the device.

On the contrary, it's a huge disadvantage to have a separate display. Why were iPhone 4 and iPad 3 the first devices with a retina display? Why was the 2014 iMac the first computer with a 5K screen and the iPad Pro 2017 the first device with ProMotion? Because every innovation in display technology goes hand-in-hand with a cpu, gpu and connection bandwidth upgrade.

Every display is made for a certain generation of computer hardware, you can't upgrade them separately unless you live in a world where there is no display innovation whatsoever. And that's exactly what you get by separating the components in a Windows PC. Everything needs to stick within the boundaries of a long obsolete connection standard or otherwise it will break compatibility left and right.

I'm not on a Mac because I want the Mac to become a PC.
Wow, we do disagree ;~)

You say "Every display is made for a certain generation of computer hardware, you can't upgrade them separately unless..." That is simply not true. If I wanted it to my retired 2011 MBP would drive my latest 4K Viewsonic just fine via a Thunderbolt dongle. And my M2 MBP drives three 4K displays fine all with different connections, including one fairly ancient Viewsonic.

Bigger issues are that A) displays wear out over time and B) display tech improves. My oldest pricey-when-new 4K display is now used only for text even though it was originally bought for color-critical work. Separate display means that users can upgrade to latest display tech when needed.

IMO it is nuts to "upgrade the whole setup" just because a display ages out. Similarly when my computing setup aged out largely due to the limitations around 16 GB RAM I needed to upgrade the computing, not the displays.
 
If I wanted it to my retired 2011 MBP would drive my latest 4K Viewsonic just fine via a Thunderbolt dongle.
Intel HD Graphics 3000 supports a maximum display resolution of 2560×1600. That's closer to 2K (2048×1080) than to 4K (4096×2160).
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And my M2 MBP drives three 4K displays fine all with different connections, including one fairly ancient Viewsonic.
But it couldn't run a ProMotion display and dynamically change the refresh rate from 1 to 120 Hz. Old hardware can never be forward compatible to technologies, which weren't yet invented. Only new hardware can be backward compatible and fit into long obsolete slots, like SSDs in the size of a 2.5" SATA-3 hard drive.
 


Apple often releases new Macs in the fall, but whether that will happen this year is far from certain. It's the second week of October now, and if Apple plans to launch Macs before the holidays, recent history suggests it will happen this month. Here's what we know so far.

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It's been over 120 days since Apple released a new Mac, the last being M2 versions of the Mac Pro, Mac Studio, and 15-inch MacBook Air, all of which arrived in June. Prior to that, in January, Apple released M2 Pro and M2 Max versions of the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro, alongside new M2-powered Mac mini models.

Meanwhile, the 13-inch MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro haven't been updated in over 450 days, and the iMac hasn't seen an update in over 880 days (Apple unveiled the M1 24-inch iMac way back in April 2021). It's these last three models that are most due updates, but that's not to say Apple will prioritize them for updates over other Macs.

If you look at the last decade, Apple often holds an annual fall event in which it launches new Macs and iPads. While Apple that didn't happen last year, there were October events in 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2021.

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman recently told The MacRumors Show that he does not expect Apple to hold an October event because the company does not have enough new products and features to justify it.

However, that doesn't mean we won't be seeing any more new Macs from Apple this year. Apple could choose to release new models via press release instead, like it did in January 2023 for the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models. At the same time, Apple may not have any new models forthcoming this side of Christmas 2023. So what do the rumors say?

Mac Pro, Mac Studio, MacBook Air

It's worth repeating that Apple this year has already updated the Mac Pro, Mac Studio, and 15-inch MacBook Air. These updates were released in June 2023, so there is little chance that they will be superseded by newer models before 2024.

However, Apple has not yet updated the smaller 13-inch MacBook Air this year. This model was originally announced in June 2022, so there is scope for a refresh soon. According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, the 13-inch MacBook Air could be one of the first beneficiaries of Apple's new M3 chip, but it is unclear if this upgrade will arrive in late 2023 or early 2024.

Mac Mini, 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro

Apple updated the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max chips in January, and most rumors suggest refreshed models are coming next year. According to Gurman, the next version of these two machines are expected to feature M3 Pro and M3 Max chips and will "probably" launch by the middle of 2024 at the latest.

On the other hand, a supply chain report in October claimed that Apple is preparing to release new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with more power-efficient mini-LED displays before the year is out.

As for the Mac mini, Apple updated the machine with M2 chips in January 2023, while M3-powered models are not expected to emerge until late 2024 at the earliest, according to Gurman.

iMac, 13-inch MacBook Pro

That leaves the iMac and 13-inch MacBook Pro. Apple's 24-inch iMac was refreshed with a new design, M1 chips, and new color options in April 2021. While the ‌iMac‌ did not receive an upgrade to the M2 chip this year, a refreshed model with the M3 chip is expected to launch soon, potentially towards the end of this year.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro was updated with the M2 chip in June 2022, so this is another model that could see an upgrade soon, possibly later this year.

With that said, supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo in September claimed that Apple is unlikely to release any new MacBook models with the M3 chip this year. However, Kuo only ruled out new MacBooks, so there is still potential for a new iMac this year.

Summing Up

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As things stand, we could still see at least one Mac with a new M3 chip before the end of the year. The as-yet-unannounced M3 chip is widely expected to be fabricated with TSMC's 3nm process for significant performance and power efficiency improvements compared to the current 5nm-based M2 chip, which debuted in June 2022.

Given that Apple launched new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models in January, and more recently new 15-inch MacBook Air, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro models in June, Gurman believes the first beneficiaries of the new M3 chip will be the next iMac, 13-inch MacBook Air, and 13-inch MacBook Pro.

Gurman has said that if these products do come out in 2023, Apple is likely to unveil them via press release rather than with an event.

Lastly, MacRumors received information in early October indicating that Apple was preparing to accept some of its latest Mac models for trade-in, suggesting it may be proceeding with plans to release new Mac models. Whether this correlates with the launch of at least one new machine around mid-October however remains to be seen.

Article Link: Will Apple Release New Macs Soon? Here's What the Latest Rumors Say
Reminds me of Apple prior to Steve Jobs return. Lack of product coherence.
 
I use a 27" 2015 iMac which, through the 2000 to 2022 Apple upgrade cycle, was never updated to the Apple processors.

Frankly, Apple has stranded users wanting to update this great product.
 
I use a 27" 2015 iMac which, through the 2000 to 2022 Apple upgrade cycle, was never updated to the Apple processors.

Frankly, Apple has stranded users wanting to update this great product.
Agreed, a major gap in their line up for we all-in-one users, IMHO. I'm holding out hope that the rumored XDR and/or 6K and 8K versions become reality sooner vs later.
 
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Agreed, a major gap in their line up for we all-in-one users, IMHO. I'm holding out hope that the rumored XDR and/or 6K and 8K versions become reality sooner vs later.
Apple has done this dumb thing where, I think because the product line is optimized for margins, they don't make monitor products where the margins would be lower. This means, instead of seeing beautiful mac desktops and monitors everywhere, every office is full of ugly dells.

This corporatism above product leads to stupid distortions. It's absurd that the minimum entry point for a monitor is 160% the price of a macbook air. That the iMacs only have 24" options. That there are no beautiful two monitor solutions for mac.

They have done a pretty good job on compatibility and performance (excepting ipad pro software) , but someone over there really needs to start thinking about beauty and the design aesthetic of their whole lineup.
 
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