Will Apple support Blu-Ray?

[Eidorian]

HD still uses a red lazer which limits puts phycal limitation on data density that can not be broken.

*sigh* HD-DVD uses a blue laser as well. And currently on the market HD-DVD stands at 30 GB dual layer and Blu-Ray at 25 GB single layered.

HD-DVD has hopes for a triple layered 45 GB disc for future expansion.

And finally I supported -R and the DVD forum the last time around.

 

[Timepass]

*sigh* HD-DVD uses a blue laser as well. And currently on the market HD-DVD stands at 30 GB dual layer and Blu-Ray at 25 GB single layered.

HD-DVD has hopes for a triple layered 45 GB disc for future expansion.

And finally I supported -R and the DVD forum the last time around.

well I be. I though HD was just a new format using red lazer. Well I was wrong there

But even off those numbers I can see blue ray winning because it can go to predicted max of 10 layers. HD is around 15gigs per layer. Blue ray is at 25gig/layer so blue ray ceilling is going to be much much higher.

But with both using blue lazers the end result is very predicuble. same thing that happen with +R and -R. Where both formates will be supported by players and burners a like because the consumers is not goign to care.

 

[milo]

Oh yeah, MiniDisc is still huge, as high quality recorders. They are big in Japan as well.

Minidisc never was, and never will be huge. Sure, there's some niche use, but as a mainstream format (the orignial intent) it was a huge failure.

But a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD season probably won't even need multiple disks because it can fit much more data per disk. Or it will at least be less. Not every show is in HD, most would not benefit from having a much greater resolution than seen on TV, so they could put more episodes on less disks.

I doubt that. Even with the bigger data size, the HD content takes up way more space. Many bluray disks released so far have LESS extras than the DVD version if you can believe that.

Beta is still around and still superior. Go to any TV broadcast or editing house, and they will be using Beta for storage and broadcast.

Beta failed as a consumer format, so Sony managed to create a "pro" version and get some use out of it. Nowadays, most stuff is probably stored in digital form except for low budget facilities. Used to be mostly T1, T2, with some digital beta back when I was doing post work, I'm sure there are new formats now.

Pioneer, Philips, and Sony have been responsible for the various digital media formats to date; well, those that succeeded.

Sony hasn't had ANY succesful mainstreama media formats recently, digital or analog. Have they ever?

Sony invented beta, dat, minidisc. All failures. Sony had a proposed DVD standard (MMCD) which was rejected so they agreed to use Toshiba's format.

I don't think either will be adopted for a long time. Bluray looked like it might have an edge, but now it looks like Sony may have blown it with the delay of their player, and the many many problems rumored for PS3.

 

[Eidorian]

But even off those numbers I can see blue ray winning because it can go to predicted max of 10 layers. HD is around 15gigs per layer. Blue ray is at 25gig/layer so blue ray ceilling is going to be much much higher.

Cost per layer is rather high though. Don't forget about holographic media.

 

[Timepass]

Cost per layer is rather high though. Don't forget about holographic media.

Well cost will go down so that not a huge factor. Holographic media I think is still expermental and not stable enough to use.

I am more looking long term and blue ray is going to out last HD I believe. And yeah Blue ray is gonig to get replaces by maybe holographic later on. I say 10-15 years is the most it going to get in its life span.

DVD are what pushing 10 years now and they are starting to hit the end of there life and going to be replace by HD or BR. I think Blue is going to win out just due to raw data limits are so much higher and it already able to be produced.

10-15 years later something else will replace that.

VHS was replace by the digital age.
CDs are currently nearly the end of there life after being main stream for almost 15 years being replace by DVDs. I see DVDs kickign cds out. DVDs going another 10 years or from now in doing what CD currently do. Blue Ray stuff replacing DVD current location and then they phase DVD completely out making way for its replacement.

 

[jdechko]

HD-DVD is cheaper...

The HDDVD players are definitely cheaper now, but they'll come down in the near future along with the BD players. When more people get involved in manufacturing, the competition increases and the cost of manufacturing and, subsequently, the cost to the consumer, decreases.

As far as the movies are concerned, well, they're about even right now.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=445638

Take a look at the 6th picture comparing t2 to Happy Gilmore.

If (and it's a big IF) I'm gonna buy anything HD in the next few years, it's gonna be a combo player HDDVD and BluRay. But, like most, I think I'm just gonna sit on this for a long time. There's too much at stake for me as a consumer and I can't justify purchasing either technology (though deep down I like BluRay, but only for it's tech Specs).

 

[aristobrat]

I thought I heard on TWiT that there's a combo player ready to go, but because of a licensing issue, it can't be sold. Something about either Bluray or HDDVD license specifically not allowing that to happen.

 

[milo]

Take a look at the 6th picture comparing t2 to Happy Gilmore.

So what does that mean? Movies are all different prices based on how popular they are and what the studio wants to charge. Two random movies doesn't tell us anything, let's compare prices of two versions of the same movie, or even something like an average of all titles available for each format.

And we should also take into account what extras are included in each format (and compared with plain old DVD).

 

[pyrex]

Well, I am rooting for blu-ray because I am going to be getting a ps3, which when released will most likely also be the cheapest BR player out there. People might go for hddvd though just because the name makes more sense to them. Regular joes don't know too much about storage, and blue lasers, and dual layers, so marketing might just win out. Most likely whichever has the most movies backing it, or gets put into more computers willl win. DVD beat out the divx discs because the ps2 came out, maybe ps3 will make BR for the win.

 

[WildCowboy]

So what does that mean? Movies are all different prices based on how popular they are and what the studio wants to charge. Two random movies doesn't tell us anything, let's compare prices of two versions of the same movie, or even something like an average of all titles available for each format.

Here's a survey from about six weeks ago.

I glanced at Amazon and the only title I saw that was available in both formats was Chronos...it's available for pre-order with no release data available yet, so this is still pretty sketchy. That said, both versions list at $24.98, but the HD-DVD version is on sale for $17.49 while the Blu-Ray version is on sale for $21.99.

 

[bousozoku]

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Sony hasn't had ANY succesful mainstreama media formats recently, digital or analog. Have they ever?

Sony invented beta, dat, minidisc. All failures. Sony had a proposed DVD standard (MMCD) which was rejected so they agreed to use Toshiba's format.

I don't think either will be adopted for a long time. Bluray looked like it might have an edge, but now it looks like Sony may have blown it with the delay of their player, and the many many problems rumored for PS3.

Sony and Philips worked on Compact Disc together. I'd say it's a bit of a success.

Betamax, DAT, MiniDisc all have continued in professional applications.

 

[poppe]

Well cost will go down so that not a huge factor. Holographic media I think is still expermental and not stable enough to use.

I am more looking long term and blue ray is going to out last HD I believe. And yeah Blue ray is gonig to get replaces by maybe holographic later on. I say 10-15 years is the most it going to get in its life span.

DVD are what pushing 10 years now and they are starting to hit the end of there life and going to be replace by HD or BR. I think Blue is going to win out just due to raw data limits are so much higher and it already able to be produced.

10-15 years later something else will replace that.

VHS was replace by the digital age.
CDs are currently nearly the end of there life after being main stream for almost 15 years being replace by DVDs. I see DVDs kickign cds out. DVDs going another 10 years or from now in doing what CD currently do. Blue Ray stuff replacing DVD current location and then they phase DVD completely out making way for its replacement.

Read my post back on page one about Holographic discs. They are stable and a company has now figured out a way so that movies can be put on it with out audio buzz or interferience... I have 4 links on the first page saying that Holographic is the way to go, especially since all you are talking how you want the most storage. Well holographic disks are supposed to hit not 25 gbs, not 30 gbs (dual layer), but 300 GBs by the end of 2006.

But sadly the problem is the people supporting Holographic is not a huge group of companies so research is limitied and they are also not pushing for the technology to come out. They have publicly come out and said they aren't going to push to the consumers until they sell to the pro market first...

 

[poppe]

Well, I am rooting for blu-ray because I am going to be getting a ps3, which when released will most likely also be the cheapest BR player out there. People might go for hddvd though just because the name makes more sense to them. Regular joes don't know too much about storage, and blue lasers, and dual layers, so marketing might just win out. Most likely whichever has the most movies backing it, or gets put into more computers willl win. DVD beat out the divx discs because the ps2 came out, maybe ps3 will make BR for the win.

While I agree with you the name is easier for the Joe Blow, Sony on the other hand is paying for spots in Best Buy to be displayed and marketed while HD-DVD got the boot (as some have stated earlier).

 

[Timepass]

Read my post back on page one about Holographic discs. They are stable and a company has now figured out a way so that movies can be put on it with out audio buzz or interferience... I have 4 links on the first page saying that Holographic is the way to go, especially since all you are talking how you want the most storage. Well holographic disks are supposed to hit not 25 gbs, not 30 gbs (dual layer), but 300 GBs by the end of 2006.

But sadly the problem is the people supporting Holographic is not a huge group of companies so research is limitied and they are also not pushing for the technology to come out. They have publicly come out and said they aren't going to push to the consumers until they sell to the pro market first...

As I said it is still exerpmental. Even if a company has figure out how to do it the techology is still exerpemental tech. It not ready for main stream yet and is being reasearch. It maybe close to ready but it still considered exerpermental tech. And chance are it is going to replace the DVD fromate in general but right now it is still exerpermental tech.

 

[poppe]

As I said it is still exerpmental. Even if a company has figure out how to do it the techology is still exerpemental tech. It not ready for main stream yet and is being reasearch. It maybe close to ready but it still considered exerpermental tech. And chance are it is going to replace the DVD fromate in general but right now it is still exerpermental tech.

I know I'm just saying that they are almost read to release the 300 GB disc soon for the public (2006 fingers crossed), but mostlikely just for the Pro businesses.

But they have become fairly stable and close to ready. The one problem they were having was getting the audio/video to come out clear because of some technical mumbo jumbo...

 

[Timepass]

I know I'm just saying that they are almost read to release the 300 GB disc soon for the public (2006 fingers crossed), but mostlikely just for the Pro businesses.

But they have become fairly stable and close to ready. The one problem they were having was getting the audio/video to come out clear because of some technical mumbo jumbo...

translation it means that it doesnt stand a chance of being a mainstream formate for at least 4 or so years. Blue ray tech (same as HD tech) was stable and close to main stream like in 02. And it just now starting to hit the store shelves. So the hygrophic tech is at least 4-5 years away chance are even more.

 

[Sped]

They have quite a bit of swing.

Don't you mean schwing? Uh, ye-ah baby!

 

[thejadedmonkey]

...VHS was replace by the digital age.
CDs are currently nearly the end of there life after being main stream for almost 15 years being replace by DVDs. I see DVDs kickign cds out.....

That already happened. It was called CDA or HDCD or something. This nifty new format that nobody bought because we were all already happy with our CD's was much better, but the format flopped. Bummer...

 

[howesey]

That already happened. It was called CDA or HDCD or something. This nifty new format that nobody bought because we were all already happy with our CD's was much better, but the format flopped. Bummer...

CDA is your normal CD for audio. Oh, something Sony came up with!

HDCD was developed by Microsoft and added four more bits, 20 rather than 16bit. Nobody was really interested in the end, some people like Roksan, Arcam, Musical fidelity and Rotel tried it, but Microsoft wanted to much money to use the technology, and you had to put their logo at leat three times on equipment, one on the front, one on the back and one on the drawer.


As for a replacement for CD, there have been wars going on for almost ten years between SACD and DVD-A. Heard of them? Most people have not. Nobody is interested in higher quality sound.

VHS was replace by the digital age.
CDs are currently nearly the end of there life after being main stream for almost 15 years being replace by DVDs. I see DVDs kickign cds out. DVDs going another 10 years or from now in doing what CD currently do. Blue Ray stuff replacing DVD current location and then they phase DVD completely out making way for its replacement.

CDA has been around for 25 years now. Nobody is interested in a replacement that's higer quality, they want MP3 which was never designed for high quality audio.

 

[rockthecasbah]

As for a replacement for CD, there have been wars going on for almost ten years between SACD and DVD-A. Heard of them? Most people have not. Nobody is interested in higher quality sound.

I remember hearing big promises of "THE END OF THE CD" and all that jazz a few years ago from SACDs on TechTV (we're talkin' years ago here ). They make combination cds that play on both SACD players (where can you even get one other than the internet?) and regular CD players. I have a disk like that. But you are right, hardly anyone even knows those exist really.