Will putting in a third party SSD void AppleCare for rMBP?

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  1. Mongol macrumors member

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    also will Apple offer their own SSD upgrade service at some point?
     
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  3. Cisco_Kid macrumors 6502

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    If you ever need service just pop the original one back in it
     
  4. Tom G. macrumors 68000

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    Cisco Kid,

    And try to emulate the almost perfect solder job that was done on the original one. I think even I with my Coke Bottle glasses could tell the difference. :D
     
  5. Cisco_Kid macrumors 6502

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    SSD is not soldered to the logic board
     
  6. Mongol thread starter macrumors member

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    So there is no seal or anything that voids AppleCare?
     
  7. bryne macrumors member

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    It's not considered user-replaceable so it probably will void your warranty. Will they be able to tell? Who knows. There's no "seal".
     
  8. Mal macrumors 603

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    This will be the key, as with current models. Since it's not considered user-serviceable, just save the original part and put it back in if you ever need service. Of course, this is all academic until there's a third-party option actually on the market.

    jW
     
  9. noteple macrumors 65816

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    Yes it will void the original warranty much less AppleCare.

    Check out ifixit and see how they could guess that you were in there.

    Some day that SSD upgrade form a third party will most likely be available.
    it will also be somewhat pricey from the unique form factor and usage limited to rMBP's.
     
  10. brand, Jul 5, 2012
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    AppleCare is the original warranty.

    [EDIT] I was mistaken about this and corrected later in the thread.
     
  11. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Source?

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    Why would it void the warranty? If you purchased a replacement SSD legitimately you are allowed to install it. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act protects you and clearly states:

    So clearly it can't void the warranty.
    Doesn't matter, you are allowed in there.

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    No that would be illegal.
     
  12. vladzaharia macrumors regular

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    Then how can there be seals on just about any electronic product that says "Warranty void if removed" stickers. Look at an Xbox, PS3, even Macbook Pros (the battery). Everything has "warranty void if removed". This isn't about 3rd party parts, this is because of damaging the equipment by trying to perform a repair or upgrade by yourself. They can very easily prevent your ability to repair or upgrade, it's completely legal, and well within their rights.
     
  13. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    They can't do it on any random part. They can do on it on batteries because if you did cause damage, it would pose a health hazard for them to try to service the computer. Similarly, if you damage parts, your warranty may not cover that damage. However, if there is a malfunction and no signs of damage caused by your putting in third-party parts, they cannot deny your warranty coverage. Putting stickers in there doesn't change the federal law that I referenced.

    If you think it is within their rights to deny you coverage, please show us the Law that allows them such liberties. Show us the law that trumps the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
     
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    Completely agree, just opening it is going to cause warranty issues...Don't go there unless you are prepared to void it.
     
  16. vladzaharia macrumors regular

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    The Apple warranty covers, and I quote:
    And that the warranty does not apply:
    http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/mac-english.html

    The warranty provided by Apple is a limited warranty, not a full warranty. Therefore, many provisions of the law will not apply. Furthermore, Apple is not saying "to get warranty, you need to buy Apple parts when you replace that SSD". They're saying "you cannot replace that SSD". There's a clear difference.

    http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides/ftc/warranties/undermag.htm

    Tl;dr: If you try and repair or upgrade, you can seriously damage your Macbook, and therefore, some items are designated as "non user-replaceable". Because of the damage that can result in trying to replace it. It's not a matter of using Apple-branded items, it's a matter of restricting the user-serviceable items in a laptop to ones that will not damage the entire thing if you make a small mistake. Removing that huge battery can cause huge problems.
     
  17. JohnDoe98, Jul 5, 2012
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    See the thing he is pulling on?

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  18. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    First off all, the contract they give you cannot override the law. Second, nice of you to only selectively quote what interests you in a manner that distorts things. Here's what Apple says in a little more detail:

    It is implied there you can replace your own parts. For the full warranty go here:

    http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/wty-post1997.html

    But here is the kicker, even if they didn't want to cover it, if you read the link you actually provided you would have realised your notion of what "limited" means in limited warranties is nonsense. Here is what that site explains regarding the MMWA:

    So you see "limited" only means less time, nothing else.


    The point about damage is entirely separate from what we are discussing and what the OP was asking about.
     
  19. vladzaharia macrumors regular

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    Err... My link is even more detailed than yours, and your link still says exactly what I had said. The warranty does not apply (c) to damage caused by service (including upgrades and expansions) performed by anyone who is not an Apple Authorized Service Provider. You will probably damage your RMBP if you open it. You will damage it, and the warranty will be void.

    This has nothing to do with the clause you mentioned several times. Apple is not tying you into their product. They know that there is a high likelihood of damage, and they are telling you it is not user serviceable because of that.

    Full warranties have quite a few more provisions than just time. There's a lot more in there about what Apple would have to do.

    Furthermore, you can't even claim tie-in. It's not an Apple flash chip. It's made by Samsung. Apple is definitely not tying you into their brand Flash Chips because guess what, they don't have any.
     
  20. yusukeaoki macrumors 68030

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    It doesnt void the warranty if you open it and replace RAM/SSD.
    But it will void it if you mess something up during the process.

    Also good luck finding a 512/768GB flash stick...
     
  21. vladzaharia macrumors regular

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    Err... Good luck replacing that RAM.
     
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    AppleCare is the 3-year extended protection plan Apple offers in lieu of the standard warranty on Macs. The one year warranty is called the "Apple's One Year Limited Warranty," not AppleCare.

    For this reason, some countries that have laws that require Apple to offer say 2-years of protection or 3-years for students, will still only have 90-days of telephone support instead of the 3-year warranty and telephone support offered with the AppleCare Protection Plan.
     
  24. yusukeaoki macrumors 68030

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    For rMBP, RAM is not a replaceable part since its soldered on to the logic.
    But for non retina MBP, you can replace both.
     
  25. vladzaharia macrumors regular

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    The title of the thread is "Will putting in a third party SSD void AppleCare for rMBP?"

    Pretty sure this thread is about a rMBP...
     

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