General Will Siri ever be good?

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by Elwots, May 27, 2018.

  1. Elwots macrumors regular

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    I have pretty much every Apple device made within the last few years and absolutely love them and could never switch to anything else - but I can’t stand Siri. For example, today I tried telling Siri (from my iPhone X) to play a song on my Apple TV 4K. You would think this would be no problem whatsoever, but it is for Siri. I tried 3 or 4 times and always got responses like “sorry, I can’t do that yet.” I just can’t believe that in the current state of technology and “smart homes” my Apple devices still can’t handle simple tasks like the above. I really hope iOS 12 brings a major overhaul to Siri, it’s desperately needed if they want to compete with the growing trend of smart home technology.
     
  2. Radon87000 macrumors 604

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    Its so bad I resorted to using the Google Assistant app and widget on iOS.
     
  3. 0007776 Suspended

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    Apple has a different view of privacy than Google and this limits what Siri has access to. The lack of information on Siri’s part means that it will never be as good.
     
  4. ipponrg macrumors 6502a

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    Apple hasn't had the greatest track record for their 1st party software and services.

    To name a few with varying signs of improvement: iTunes Match, MacOS upgrade debacle, and Apple Maps when they decided to do it themselves.
     
  5. ddrulez macrumors regular

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    Playing a song on a ApplTV should work with iOS 12 but a really smarter Siri will take some time.
    Apple know that Siri is lacking features.
     
  6. GigabitEthernet macrumors 6502a

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    Not unless Apple changes its privacy policy. The data they collect just isn’t sufficient enough to make Siri anywhere as good as Google Assistant.
     
  7. Lioness~ macrumors 6502a

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    No, not anytime soon.
    I have her off on all my devices.
     
  8. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    For in house tasking with the iPhone, Siri works well with commands for timers, messages, E-mails, simple dictation, hands free tasking, ect.

    Where Siri struggles is lack of producing relevant search results, deciphering words inaccurately, cutting the user off at times in the middle of dictation.

    I think the changes are coming for Siri, as they acquired Googles VP of Artificial Intelligence:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2018/04/03/apple-hires-google-ai-chief/amp/
     
  9. Anarchy99 macrumors 6502a

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    I think it can get better but wont be good due to the way apple does privacy

    theres no reason i shouldnt be able to tell my appletv's siri to make my phone do the lost phone ping or for phone siri to turn on flashlight etc.

    I think it will pick those kind of low hanging fruit and also bring feature parity to the Siri's but thats about it
     
  10. mjschabow macrumors 68000

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    It all depends on what you use Siri for. I think Siri is great but all I use it for is for controlling my Apple Music, setting reminders and alarms.
     
  11. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    It will be good enough for what Apple needs it to do.
     
  12. ProTruckDriver macrumors regular

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  13. AppleFan91 macrumors 65816

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    I get the whole “privacy” argument, I do, but that’s a cop out truly. Is Siri held back on some things by apple’s stance on privacy? Probably. But privacy has absolutely nothing to do with me asking to have Siri turn on the flashlight or ask Siri on my Apple Watch what my iPhone’s battery is, etc. there are many basic features that Siri is lacking in comparison to the competition and they have nothing to do with Apple’s stance on privacy...
     
  14. The Game 161 macrumors P6

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    I do that to be honest.

    Siri is fine on homepod for the most part for my usage but serious questions I use google assistant
     
  15. Nikhil72 macrumors 65816

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    On the plus side, iOS 11.4 is bringing Siri support for sending audio to AirPlay2 compatible devices including HomePod and AppleTV
     
  16. TimFL1 macrumors regular

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    Apple does already store the Siri queries (anonymously) on their servers. They can‘t be tied to you anymore but the queries themself are at their disposal. Afaik that was implemented with iOS10.

    I don‘t see how privacy has anything to do with Siri being lackluster. It doesn‘t need to know anything about me really to get the simple job of turning on the flashlight.

    I think most of Siris problems stem from the way it was designed and not privacy. I remember an article from an ex-Siri employee stating as much: Siri backend being a dumpster fire and Apple treating Siri as a second class citizen (e.g. Siri team being one of the last teams to even hear about the HomePod, apparently it wasn‘t even planned to have Siri to begin with).

    That article was even reported on here:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2018/03/14/siri-has-turned-sour-report/
     
  17. sbcdk macrumors member

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    When I ask Siri to “show pictures from location x”, it misses the first one or two words almost every single time and then have no idea where x is. I can find photos taken on location x if I manually write it in the photos app, so I don’t think protecting privacy is an excuse. Siri just doesn’t work, it is as simple as that.
     
  18. AsherN macrumors 6502

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    I use Siri to start Google Assistant, and then ask it to do stuff.

    Siri can't even figure out where I am. My place of worship is about 5 miles away. If I ask Siri to navigate there, it invariably sends me 600 miles away.
     
  19. macduke macrumors G3

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    Oh maybe in 10 years, lol. If we’re lucky…
     
  20. Starship67 macrumors 6502a

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    I don’t know exactly what you want Siri to do, however I use it daily with out isssue.
     
  21. AsherN macrumors 6502

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    I want Siri do be as usable as Google Assistant.
     
  22. ejb190 macrumors 65816

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    I think Google and Apple are going very different directions with their assistants. And maybe Apple just hasn't figured out where they want to go...

    For instance, if Apple and Google have very different takes on privacy, what effect does this have on the youth and education market? (NPR - Kids, Meet Alexa, Your AI Mary Poppins)
     

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