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Expecting Apple to announce battery life number similar to that of the base models. However think the actual battery life may be much lower. The C1 chip should be helpful but still not expecting spectacular battery life.
 
I think nobody is asking for a thinner phone either though.

Smaller? Absolutely. Thinner? Not at all.

But more battery life? Absolutely.
So if nobody is buying the phone because nobody is asking for it then it will end up like the mini and disappear from the lineup the following year… my guess is that it will be a rather hot seller…
And the good news is that adding a new choice doesn't adversely affect anyone any more than a store stocking a new flavor of jelly.
 
Because people always get a new iPhone and say "I wish the battery lasted less."
Well, most want a tiny phone that acts big when you want and has awesome features in every way and a battery that lasts forever. But in the real world they offer choices each with some compromise and people pick whichever fits them best. And there are some, not me, that DO actually want thin even with less battery -- odd, but they really do exist enough to warrant such a phone.
 
Old Apple would have taken the opportunity to introduce carbon silicon batteries and highlight its advantage with this product but new Apple rather does not wait anymore and releases a product that could be a pioneer in terms of thinness AND battery life
 
As someone who generally ends the day with 40-50% battery left, I am all for a much thinner phone. That said, the camera compromises might lead to me not getting this over a pro phone; will have to see when it's released.
 
As someone who generally ends the day with 40-50% battery left, I am all for a much thinner phone. That said, the camera compromises might lead to me not getting this over a pro phone; will have to see when it's released.
Yup, with my 13PM I’m somewhere around 59% at eo day.
While I’d likely take thinner, I always use a case (bare iPhone regardless of size/shape of edges is just too slippery for me). And I’m one who would really like to see 4 cameras on the iPhone…
 
I think there is a market for the Air even with all its compromises. Maybe not a huge market but not insignificant either. But I think there's another reason Apple is doing this beside the new niche market. This is a chance for them to play with some new tech and manufacturing methods that will come in handy for future products. You can play with in-house prototypes for a while but eventually you want to try them out on the actual manufacturing floor and in real user's hands. The feedback will help them refine how future products are made.
 
I think there is a market for the Air even with all its compromises. Maybe not a huge market but not insignificant either. But I think there's another reason Apple is doing this beside the new niche market. This is a chance for them to play with some new tech and manufacturing methods that will come in handy for future products. You can play with in-house prototypes for a while but eventually you want to try them out on the actual manufacturing floor and in real user's hands. The feedback will help them refine how future products are made.
Exactly. If, for example, you're planning on making a foldable phone, it might be good to get some manufacturing reps in on a really thin device.
 
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The super thin iPhone 6,6S, and 7 all had awful batteries. I remember using battery cases and power banks all the time with those.

The 12 onwards were thicker and heavier but had batteries that would go up to 1.5 days. I'm not going back to a phone with a weak battery. Give me a thicker device any time. Nothing worse than a bad battery.
 
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Have there been any rumored weight values? The 16 is 170g, and 13 mini is 141. I assume you wouldn't release an "air" product that was heavier than another model you're releasing at the same time, right?
 
No one is asking for this version of the iPhone. We want long battery life, and cameras that don't stick out the back of the phone.

I would have thought the same but it turns out we're both wrong. There actually are people that really want this. Go figure!

I think nobody is asking for a thinner phone either though.

Smaller? Absolutely. Thinner? Not at all.

But more battery life? Absolutely.

So why not design a phone that has a larger battery, but same everything else? Or a smaller phone that has a massive battery?

I used to charge my cellphone once a week, and was happy with that arrangement. I'm not sure why we as a collective have decided that once a day (or more as the battery ages) is acceptable.

Just to ease your mind, I was asking for this form factor. Battery life is not limiting to me, size, weight and thickness are
 
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Have there been any rumored weight values? The 16 is 170g, and 13 mini is 141. I assume you wouldn't release an "air" product that was heavier than another model you're releasing at the same time, right?
It would not surprise me at all if the Air turns out to be surprisingly heavy. But still thin. My guess is thin is the marketing goal rather than light, even though obviously both thin and light would be better still.
 
I hope so. My iPhone 16 Pro Max has the worst battery life of any iPhone I’ve ever owned.
Interesting comment. I consider the 16PM battery to be just fine, much better than many of my earlier iPhones. What was the earliest iPhone that you owned and are comparing to?
 
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Agree.
But keep in mind nobody asked for it :eek: :p
Clearly you consider your market research to be superior to Apple's market research. It is too bad we cannot wager here.

Edit: I now see you noted the comment as sarcasm.
Personally I do not need thin, or light, or less bump, or more battery life. All I need is maximum camera competence.
 
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Is there an engineering/technology reason why Apple couldn't redesign its phones so as to eliminate the "camera bump" and use the extra space for a bigger battery?

I can't imagine that there's a huge market for people who want a slim phone that needs an external battery in order to be truly usable. But what constitutes "slim" anyway? In real world use, a phone is as thin as its thickest point, not its thinnest point. So why not optimize for maximum battery life instead of making the phone unbalanced by thinning the non-camera area?
You ask
"So why not optimize for maximum battery life instead of making the phone unbalanced by thinning the non-camera area?"
My guess is that Apple's market research shows that potential iPhone Air buyers far prefer having thinner to having more battery. Buyers that want more battery already have lots of choices: regular iPhones, iPhone Pros, etc.

Also you suggest that "In real world use, a phone is as thin as its thickest point, not its thinnest point." I would instead argue that in real world use a phone is as thin as its average thickness rather than as its thickest point. Just my personal observation putting various iPhone Pros with camera bumps in and out of my pockets a zillion times a day. I would suggest that gross volume perhaps matters the most.

You say that you "can't imagine that there's a huge market for people who want a slim phone that needs an external battery in order to be truly usable." I think that you may mischaracterize the battery needs of the market for the coming iPhone Air. I wager many users (yes, a huge market) will get by just fine with less internal battery and without "needing an external battery."

Certainly some folks do want more battery. Like I said above, buyers that want more battery already have lots of choices: regular iPhones, iPhone Pros, etc.

Just my personal $0.02 guesstimating.
 
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Clearly you consider your market research to be superior to Apple's market research. It is too bad we cannot wager here.

Edit: I now see you noted the comment as sarcasm.
Personally I do not need thin, or light, or less bump, or more battery life. All I need is maximum camera competence.
Yes, I thought my emojis were enough but next time I’ll add the /s.
The “nobody” mentality here on MR is just getting old…

And as far as the phone goes, I would like an iPhone with 4 cameras, that would convince me to upgrade my 13PM
 
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