Will the new mac mini edit 4k?

soundsystem00

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I have an entry level 2016 macbook pro. I edit video on Adobe Premiere. It is so slow. I have to render things constantly just to get them to play. I even tried bumping my phone recording quality down to 1080 instead of 4k and it is still just as bad.

I saw that there is a new mac mini out for 800 and I was wondering if that would work better for the job?

Any ideas?

Thanks.
 

xylitol

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We have to wait for actual user experiences, but jumping from an entry level machine to another one (with iGPU) doesn't sound like a good solution.

Since you have serious performance issues even with 1080p, I suggest that you try to resolve them first. Even high specced MBPros have had problems:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2288624
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2251604
etc.

Do you have to edit on Premiere, and does it have to be the latest version? Recommended system requirements are much more demanding than minimum system requirements:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-143/Hardware-Recommendations

Anyway, there's no need to stop shooting 4k, since you can proxy edit in Premiere. You just have to get 1080p editing to work first.
 
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Graham King

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I have an entry level 2016 macbook pro. I edit video on Adobe Premiere. It is so slow. I have to render things constantly just to get them to play. I even tried bumping my phone recording quality down to 1080 instead of 4k and it is still just as bad.

I saw that there is a new mac mini out for 800 and I was wondering if that would work better for the job?

Any ideas?

Thanks.
Transcode all footage to ProRes LT before importing to Premiere and editing will be super smooth with little to no rendering on the timeline.
 
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Well, the Mac mini has a desktop class CPU, that is right now faster, than anything else, you can get in MBP.

And BTW, the 2018 CC version of Premiere has support for Intel QuickSync, that you can find in the integrated Intel GPUs (since Sandy Bridge generation of CPUs).

Premiere CC 2018 H264 uses Quick Sync, faster than FCPX on iMac Pro at H264 encoding
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/101459

And also:
http://www.focuspulling.com/cc2018/

And this video:
 
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Well, the Mac mini has a desktop class CPU, that is right now faster, than anything else, you can get in MBP.

And BTW, the 2018 CC version of Premiere has support for Intel QuickSync, that you can find in the integrated Intel GPUs (since Sandy Bridge generation of CPUs).

Premiere CC 2018 H264 uses Quick Sync, faster than FCPX on iMac Pro at H264 encoding
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/101459

And also:
http://www.focuspulling.com/cc2018/

And this video:
It has also a T2 chip so hardware encoding and decoding for HEVC faster than intel counterpart but that is for encoding only tho, FC will be so much faster doing GPU rendering (stabilisation, filters etcc), I think this is what the OP is asking.
 

soundsystem00

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Yeah, I have to constantly render my clips in premiere. It will barley even play videos from my iphone. Especially 4k. It is pretty annoying. Thank you guys, I really appreciate it. Here are the specs on the cheapest Mac Mini. It only has "i3" which raised some red flags, but I think that is it still faster than my i5 MBP because its obviously 3ghz when mine is 2.

3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor
128GB Storage

  • 3.6GHz quad-core 8th-generation Intel Core i3 processor
  • 8GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory
  • Intel UHD Graphics 630
  • 128GB PCIe-based SSD storage1
My current Laptop is a 2016 macbook pro, entry level with no touchbar.

"2 GHz Intel Core i5"

So, think that it would be worth it? I could just take that 800, sell my laptop, and just get a 15 inch macbook pro. I already have an external display and a nice USB-C flush adapter. I kind of like having all in one.

But Mac Minis have always been appealing to me because of the size and cheap price..
 

Fishrrman

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OP:

Do you have the option to use "proxy media" while editing 4k?
I've heard that can speed things up a bit.

Having said that...

If you get a new Mini, I'd suggest at least the i5 model (does Premiere take advantage of the multiple cores?).

Or... perhaps a 27" iMac with the i7...?
 

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I have an entry level 2016 macbook pro. I edit video on Adobe Premiere. It is so slow.
I would suggest that you start by watching Max Yuryev's fairly recent videos on YouTube about the relative performance of Premier and Final Cut on Mac OS.

I don't use Premiere, but there is a view, apparently widely held, that Premiere was performing very poorly on Mac OS, and indeed that Adobe recognises this and has been trying to address it.

On your question about how the Mac mini will perform for video editing, there are many, many threads on the forum at this point that address that, and they include discussion about various configurations.

Also, Max Yuryev has just published a review of the Mac mini that focuses on its editing capabilities. See below.

My personal views on Yurev's review are in this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/concern-for-video-editors.2154899/#post-26805388.



There is also a very good piece by Larry Jordan on configuring the new mini for video editing: https://larryjordan.com/articles/configure-a-mac-mini-2018-for-video-editing/
 
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It sure will! Try editing your footage in proxy if it's not fast enough for you as is. One of the major performance hits that's overlooked all too often is the amount of time required for media ingest. If you're using a highly compressed CODEC like GoPro, or even some manufacturer's flavors of H.264, your nonlinear editor will need to spend a considerable amount of time decompressing the imported footage into an intermediate format for editing. While this is happening, your performance will be significantly impacted. I didn't realize how draining the import and transcode phase was on my systems until I started using external Blackmagic Design decks to record. They record right to ProRes which makes for massive files but they drop in to editors instantly!
 
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Graham King

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My first post was ignored so I'll try again. I shoot 100+ video projects a year and have done so for 10 years.

Simply transcode everything to ProRes while you sleep and any old Mac can edit it smooth as butter. No proxys, no rendering on the timeline, no reconnecting, no conversion on import, no intermediate formats. You're going to be disappointed with the performance of any new computer if you insist on importing and editing long GOP codecs.
 

DomKud

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Currently, the Mini will do poorly with Adobe Premiere.

Even though they say 16GB minimum, I would advise for 32GB of RAM as there is no dedicated graphics card in these minis. I am also in the same position as you.

I wanted to get the mini but heard it does poorly running Premiere. My recommendation if you want to use Premiere on your mini:
  • 3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 4.6GHz)
  • 32GB 2666MHz DDR4
  • Intel UHD Graphics 630
  • 512GB SSD storage
And that is still not guaranteeing that your mini will perform fine. See: https://helpx.adobe.com/ca/premiere-pro/system-requirements.html

Note Adobes requirements are as follows:
  • Intel® Intel 6thGen or newer CPU
  • 16 GB minimum (32 GB recommended)
  • 4 GB of GPU VRAM
  • 32-bit video card
Where the mini goes wrong is the iGPU. Some suggest, if you want to run Premiere effectively on the minis, you will need to purchase an eGPU as well. As you can see, from the above customizations, plus the eGPU, if you want to run Premiere (and edit 4k videos) it might be quite costly to do on the mini.

This is only my opinion. I could be wrong, but based off of what I am reading, it might be accurate.
 
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Ice Dragon

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I have an entry level 2016 macbook pro. I edit video on Adobe Premiere. It is so slow. I have to render things constantly just to get them to play. I even tried bumping my phone recording quality down to 1080 instead of 4k and it is still just as bad.

I saw that there is a new mac mini out for 800 and I was wondering if that would work better for the job?

Any ideas?

Thanks.
For $800 you get a quad-core processor which is okay but not great, 8 GB of RAM, and a 128 GB SSD. 8 GB of RAM is too little and the 128 GB SSD isn't enough storage and also is rather slow as far as writes speeds go. It is however a great improvement over a 5,400 rpm HDD or the Fusion Drive with a paltry 32 GB of SSD storage and the rest HDD.

Edit: It would also be recommended to get an eGPU.