All iPads Will the next iPad Air 2 finally have 2 GB of memory?

[Dmunjal]

If you believe that I assume you use Android.

Best of luck to you.

I use an Android phone, an iPad, Windows for work, and a Mac at home. Don't assume.

Android does a lot more in the background and it uses more memory. I agree that iOS is more efficient. But this isn't 2007. RAM is cheap. Add more so and make iOS more feature capable. Multi-tasking would be a good start.

 

[confucious]

I use an Android phone, an iPad, Windows for work, and a Mac at home. Don't assume.

I assumed you use Android and you do.

Like I said, good luck with that.

 

[Saint.Icon]

I honestly hope they put 1GB in the Air 2, simply to chap the ass of every spec-geek that's been directing people to wait six months to get an Air for that alone.

 

[Dmunjal]

I honestly hope they put 1GB in the Air 2, simply to chap the ass of every spec-geek that's been directing people to wait six months to get an Air for that alone.

I don't think it's being a spec geek. We like features like good multitasking and multiple apps running side by side. That takes specs (RAM).

Some like high end games which takes a good CPU/GPU.

 

[Count Blah]

I honestly hope they put 1GB in the Air 2, simply to chap the ass of every spec-geek that's been directing people to wait six months to get an Air for that alone.

You can enjoy multitasking in iOS 8 with only 256megs of ram for two apps, while those who waited can enjoy 750megs of ram for two apps.

You'll show those people who waited - right?

 

[Saint.Icon]

You can enjoy multitasking in iOS 8 with only 256megs of ram for two apps, while those who waited can enjoy 750megs of ram for two apps.

You'll show those people who waited - right?

It's specifically the people like you who I referred to. I genuinely hope you're profoundly disappointed. <3

 

[Count Blah]

It's specifically the people like you who I referred to. I genuinely hope you're profoundly disappointed. <3

Because wanting and demanding more is stoooopid, right?

Advising people, based on the best info to date, that the next revision should have more ram, and thus GREATLY outlast the current model, is bad form as well, right?

We should all toe the apple party line and keep people in the dark, right?

Please put me on ignore.

 

[mangomind]

I honestly hope they put 1GB in the Air 2, simply to chap the ass of every spec-geek that's been directing people to wait six months to get an Air for that alone.

Yes. I don't really care if Apple includes 1 or 2 GB because Apple knows what they are doing. I'm sure they know that many people consider RAM or unoptimized software to be a bottleneck in iOS 7. Apple is a company that knows their portable devices have increased competition. And Apple has historically targeted their products to professionals as well as average consumers. Apple makes its money off of hardware, and they are most concerned about sales. Many people won't buy new iPads if they aren't much more powerful than previous ones. Apple is just another company that needs to compete to keep its products relevant. So I'm not that concerned about what Apple does next, whether that involves optimizing software or more powerful hardware or both.

 

[Michael Goff]

Yes. I don't really care if Apple includes 1 or 2 GB because Apple knows what they are doing. I'm sure they know that many people consider RAM or unoptimized software to be a bottleneck in iOS 7. Apple is a company that knows their portable devices have increased competition. And Apple has historically targeted their products to professionals as well as average consumers. Apple makes its money off of hardware, and they are most concerned about sales. Many people won't buy new iPads if they aren't much more powerful than previous ones. Apple is just another company that needs to compete to keep its products relevant. So I'm not that concerned about what Apple does next, whether that involves optimizing software or more powerful hardware or both.

Ah, the good old "Apple can't make a mistake" theory. :|

 

[Saint.Icon]

Because wanting and demanding more is stoooopid, right?

Advising people, based on the best info to date, that the next revision should have more ram, and thus GREATLY outlast the current model, is bad form as well, right?

We should all toe the apple party line and keep people in the dark, right?

Please put me on ignore.

Guess I struck a nerve.

Yes. I don't really care if Apple includes 1 or 2 GB because Apple knows what they are doing. I'm sure they know that many people consider RAM or unoptimized software to be a bottleneck in iOS 7. Apple is a company that knows their portable devices have increased competition. And Apple has historically targeted their products to professionals as well as average consumers. Apple makes its money off of hardware, and they are most concerned about sales. Many people won't buy new iPads if they aren't much more powerful than previous ones. Apple is just another company that needs to compete to keep its products relevant. So I'm not that concerned about what Apple does next, whether that involves optimizing software or more powerful hardware or both.

Now this is the mindset I agree with. Apple has never been about the spec numbers, but about the end user performance. People talk about the Air like it's a paperweight or something, when even with it's supposedly paltry 1GB of RAM it still outperforms and has more satisfied customers than the tablets it competes against.

People want to pretend that more is always better, but it isn't just about how much RAM you can stick into a machine - it's also about how it's used. A prime example is just about any Android device - even the Nexus lines. They come with more RAM, yet Android uses so much more memory than iOS that it nullifies that supposedly much better amount.

The point is that I'd rather have 1GB of RAM in a system that's optimized enough to use it well, than 2GB of RAM in a system that isn't. And Apple has a long history of making hardware and software work together to keep good performance long term.

A perfect point of reference is the 1st Gen iPad Mini and iPad 2. Years later, there are still plenty of iPad 2s kicking around, running iOS 7 well, with happy users. The first gen iPad Mini is only about 18 months old, yet still works just fine - which I know for a fact, as I have one in my bag alongside my Air.

Specs don't always equal performance. Instead of crying for specs, we need to be looking for continued, lasting performance - regardless of the in-depth tech specs.

 

[mangomind]

Ah, the good old "Apple can't make a mistake" theory. :|

What theory are you talking about? Apple makes many mistakes, just like any other company.

Now this is the mindset I agree with. Apple has never been about the spec numbers, but about the end user performance. People talk about the Air like it's a paperweight or something, when even with it's supposedly paltry 1GB of RAM it still outperforms and has more satisfied customers than the tablets it competes against.

People want to pretend that more is always better, but it isn't just about how much RAM you can stick into a machine - it's also about how it's used. A prime example is just about any Android device - even the Nexus lines. They come with more RAM, yet Android uses so much more memory than iOS that it nullifies that supposedly much better amount.

The point is that I'd rather have 1GB of RAM in a system that's optimized enough to use it well, than 2GB of RAM in a system that isn't. And Apple has a long history of making hardware and software work together to keep good performance long term.

A perfect point of reference is the 1st Gen iPad Mini and iPad 2. Years later, there are still plenty of iPad 2s kicking around, running iOS 7 well, with happy users. The first gen iPad Mini is only about 18 months old, yet still works just fine - which I know for a fact, as I have one in my bag alongside my Air.

Specs don't always equal performance. Instead of crying for specs, we need to be looking for continued, lasting performance - regardless of the in-depth tech specs.

I completely agree. Apple focuses more on user experience and usability than most other companies, who might focus more on specs. I like that because I want something that actually works better instead of something that sounds like it is better.

 

[Michael Goff]

What theory are you talking about? Apple makes many mistakes, just like any other company.



I completely agree. Apple focuses more on user experience and usability than most other companies, who might focus more on specs. I like that because I want something that actually works better instead of something that sounds like it is better.

Why assume Apple always "knows what they're doing", then?

Also, it's obvious to a lot of people that the user experience and usability would benefit from being able to open more than 3 tabs on the most recent iPad's version of Safari.

 

[confucious]

Why assume Apple always "knows what they're doing", then?

Possibly because they make ***** loads of money?

But I'm sure you know better and could increase their profits.

Or do you think they should make less money?

 

[Michael Goff]

Possibly because they make ***** loads of money?

But I'm sure you know better and could increase their profits.

Or do you think they should make less money?

So now we're putting "they're right" with profits?

 

[Dmunjal]

Possibly because they make ***** loads of money?

But I'm sure you know better and could increase their profits.

Or do you think they should make less money?

We're talking about the user perspective. The customer. Not what benefits Apple the company.

The customer wants more RAM. Apple wants the same RAM to maximize profits.

The fact that you conflate the two is telling.

 

[Saint.Icon]

Why assume Apple always "knows what they're doing", then?

Also, it's obvious to a lot of people that the user experience and usability would benefit from being able to open more than 3 tabs on the most recent iPad's version of Safari.

As I type this, I'm also working in four other tabs. All are working just fine, so I'd say you're mistaken.

Apple makes money from people too stupid to fix problems. They want stuff that they don't have to fuss with. These kind of people are numerous, and aren't the die-hard nerds that frequent MacRumors to circle-jerk each other over unconfirmed devices and RAM specs.

To keep those people buying, Apple needs to keep a solid user experience. And they do. When those people stop buying? Apple loses huge amounts of money.

The people crying for bigger, better specs aren't Apple's bottom line. And until the bottom line requires 2GB RAM, expect it to remain at 1GB with solid usability.

 

[confucious]

We're talking about the user perspective. The customer. Not what benefits Apple the company.

The customer wants more RAM. Apple wants the same RAM to maximize profits.

The fact that you conflate the two is telling.

And you think the consumer is right rather than the company making money

So will you make the device consumers want?

I want a cute flying pig -should Apple make that as well?

What is your point?

 

[Count Blah]

What theory are you talking about? Apple makes many mistakes, just like any other company.



I completely agree. Apple focuses more on user experience and usability than most other companies, who might focus more on specs. I like that because I want something that actually works better instead of something that sounds like it is better.

except for the crappy safari/tab reload problem, I would agree. Combine this, with the impending multitasking in ios8, and you have something that is and will be very lacking when it comes to user experience.

But hey, you can claim whatever you like, while my safari reloads tabs like crazy.

 

[Dmunjal]

And you think the consumer is right rather than the company making money

So will you make the device consumers want?

I want a cute flying pig -should Apple make that as well?

What is your point?

How can you say for certain Apple is right because they are making money? What if they could make more?

They are losing share in the tablet market continuously. They missed the large smartphone market. Imagine if Apple did the "right" thing and gave customers what they wanted? How much more could they have made?

Apple is admitting they were wrong by offering a larger phone. They are admitting they were wrong when they released the Mini. Couldn't they be wrong by offering only 1GB of RAM in a 64-bit iPad and providing a subpar browsing experience?

If you believe in the infallibility of Apple or any company, you will be more disappointed than the ones you are ridiculing here.

 

[confucious]

How can you say for certain Apple is right because they are making money? What if they could make more?

They are losing share in the tablet market continuously. They missed the large smartphone market. Imagine if Apple did the "right" thing and gave customers what they wanted? How much more could they have made?

Apple is admitting they were wrong by offering a larger phone. They are admitting they were wrong when they released the Mini. Couldn't they be wrong by offering only 1GB of RAM in a 64-bit iPad and providing a subpar browsing experience?

If you believe in the infallibility of Apple or any company, you will be more disappointed than the ones you are ridiculing here.

Glad to know you think they could make more. They really should employ you for advice because you know best. Have you offered them your advice?

 

[Dmunjal]

Glad to know you think they could make more. They really should employ you for advice because you know best. Have you offered them your advice?

Yes, by buying a competitor's product. Just like a lot of other people seem to be doing. You should try it!

 

[Saint.Icon]

How can you say for certain Apple is right because they are making money? What if they could make more?

Because they have analysts that I'd trust far more for a market gauge than someone hell-bent on arguing on an internet forum.

They are losing share in the tablet market continuously. They missed the large smartphone market. Imagine if Apple did the "right" thing and gave customers what they wanted? How much more could they have made?

I suggest you check your facts, as both of those points are grossly inaccurate, invalidating any labored point you're attempting to make here. For the sake of it though, if Apple were to do everything every customer wanted you'd see profit margins tank, and the company going bankrupt - no matter how many super fans bought a pink sparkle iPad Air with 2GB RAM.

Apple is admitting they were wrong by offering a larger phone. They are admitting they were wrong when they released the Mini. Couldn't they be wrong by offering only 1GB of RAM in a 64-bit iPad and providing a subpar browsing experience?

Um. Hate to pop this little ego bubble you've got going, but Apple hasn't released a larger phone yet. It may be likely, but it's not fact yet. Further, in the event that they DO release a larger iPhone, they're doing so now that the market for a larger phone is ripe. Plenty of companies have jumped in before the market was ready, and some, such as HTC, nearly went bankrupt over that mistake.

If you believe in the infallibility of Apple or any company, you will be more disappointed than the ones you are ridiculing here.

No one here is saying Apple is infallible. Hell, Forstall should have been out years ago. The Maps rollout was a Mexican coat hanger abortion. Skeumorphism was horribly tacky. "Antenna-gate". The iPad 3 debacle. Apple has made plenty of mistakes. They aren't invincible, nor infallible. But at the same time, they've done far more right. That's what makes it a safe bet to say that they've got their stuff sorted, and will provide a solid hardware and software experience regardless of raw specs.

Yes, by buying a competitor's product. Just like a lot of other people seem to be doing. You should try it!

And yet you're still sitting here on MacRumors looking for a fight. Have some pity, because clearly your life must be quite sad.

 

[Dmunjal]

I suggest you check your facts, as both of those points are grossly inaccurate, invalidating any labored point you're attempting to make here. For the sake of it though, if Apple were to do everything every customer wanted you'd see profit margins tank, and the company going bankrupt - no matter how many super fans bought a pink sparkle iPad Air with 2GB RAM.

http://bgr.com/2014/03/03/ios-android-tablet-market-share-3/

Didn't realize that adding 1GB of RAM to the iPad Air would bankrupt Apple. That is all we're talking about here. No pink sparkles.

Um. Hate to pop this little ego bubble you've got going, but Apple hasn't released a larger phone yet. It may be likely, but it's not fact yet. Further, in the event that they DO release a larger iPhone, they're doing so now that the market for a larger phone is ripe. Plenty of companies have jumped in before the market was ready, and some, such as HTC, nearly went bankrupt over that mistake.

A third of the market and a high end one at that is now "ripe"? That's a lot of money that Apple has left on the table.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/14/smartphone-five-inch-totals/

 

[rajpatel]

Saint and mango are two smart and logical people who express themselves beautifully. A pleasure to read such posts

 

[mangomind]

http://bgr.com/2014/03/03/ios-android-tablet-market-share-3/

Didn't realize that adding 1GB of RAM to the iPad Air would bankrupt Apple. That is all we're talking about here. No pink sparkles. .

A third of the market and a high end one at that is now "ripe"? That's a lot of money that Apple has left on the table.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/14/smartphone-five-inch-totals/

I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. Apple's products clearly don't meet your usage scenario, and so you bought a competitor's device. That's great! There are some fine Android and Windows products out there. Apple products don't work for everyone; some are better off with an Google or Microsoft product.

Apple follows a business model that has quite obviously worked for them, and they have no reason to not continue following it. The devices they make hatch right from their business model. They put in more effort by focusing on less products than other companies. Targeting the population with a limited number of products means focusing more on average consumers. And Apple's main focus is hardware profit, not market share, because it makes its money off its hardware. So it needs to target the most people possible while keeping healthy profit margins, which means spending less on hardware. This means keeping the base RAM at the minimum amount needed to satisfy the average consumer, which is what Apple has always done, with iPhones and iPads and Macs. Intuitively, Apple's goal is to continually work to fix the next bottleneck in the average user's experience. The usage scenario of some people causes them to regularly experience an iOS 7 web browser tab refresh problem, and Apple will eventually fix it with either more RAM or web engine optimization. For example, if Apple optimized the iOS 8 web browser to the same extent as they optimized the iOS 6 web browser, less people would have this reloading issue.

Also keep in mind that Apple isn't as concerned about market share. Its main focus is its hardware profit margins. Some of Apple's competitors follow different business models, which lead to products that fit different user's needs. Google's Android focuses on market share to track the most people possible in order to target them with ads and then profit. Microsoft's business model is all over the board, and the business models of Android hardware vendors focus on hardware profit margins, like Apple, but they focus more on specs and sell a wide range of devices instead of focusing more on the user experience and selling a select number of devices.