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Will the next Macbook Pro have a touch screen?
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The point is not wheter the technology is new or old, but whether they can profit for it (sell more computers)
Ok, let's assume that it does.
Apple releases a new Macbook Pro with a great high quality capacitave touchscreen.
Then what?
Just take a moment to look at the OSX interface. The menus, the close/minmize/expand buttons on the windows, the toolbar buttons, the tab bars, the silders.
The OSX UI is not built for touch.
The only way I could possibly see this happening would be as some sort of convertible tablet design, where going into the tablet mode would basically put you in iOS, which is Apple's version of OSX that is actually designed to be used on a touchscreen.
Apple releases a new Macbook Pro with a great high quality capacitave touchscreen.
Then what?
Just take a moment to look at the OSX interface. The menus, the close/minmize/expand buttons on the windows, the toolbar buttons, the tab bars, the silders.
The OSX UI is not built for touch.
The only way I could possibly see this happening would be as some sort of convertible tablet design, where going into the tablet mode would basically put you in iOS, which is Apple's version of OSX that is actually designed to be used on a touchscreen.
I'm happy to read thinking people here, all the arguments against touch screens are idiotic as where the arguments against the mini iPad.
I believe we will se not only touchscreen on OSX but also 3D and 3d interactions with the os, and both are imminent, just watch the Leap Motion 's demoes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBNm0NKBRvw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Steve Jobs said that 7" tabs were a "DOA", then when Steve passed away Apple released the iPad mini, being this one a huge hit, I myself kept from buying an iPhone 5 due to the small same 3.5 screen, IMO Apple is missing the point on what consumers want, consumers don't want someone telling them touchscreen is no ergonomic and bla bla bla
they want to have a touchscreen no matter if their arms will fall off, they love touchscreen on every gadget they buy period!. Some cars are coming out with a touchscreen on the dash board so I believe that in the future the touchscreen will be present on all laptops as a second input, and that will be a standard.
I don't get why people are so against it. I've checked out touch screen ultrabooks and it seems useful in some situations. Maybe it wouldn't be the best feature and I wouldn't use it all the time. But in certain situations it would be nice to have the option. Don't know what harm it would do, as long as it doesn't translate to more expensive computers.
I can barely stand it when people put their fingers close to my precious Mac's display. I can't imagine putting my greasy fingers all over it. I don't think I'm alone in this.
Isn't a Bluetooth keyboard with an iPad good enough? Can't MacBooks be left with keyboard and touchpad inputs only? Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part...
You wouldn't have to use it if you don't want to, and I hope you wouldn't if you fingers are greasy/dirty. You still have the option to use a mouse/trackpad and keyboard, so I'm still not seeing why you don't want it this much.
Even clean hands are greasy after a few minutes. But that's another discussion for a different time (OCD) LOL
I doubt one could fully take advantage of a touch screen Mac without touching it. What would be the point? I don't see Apple taking half steps, I see them going all in if they do decide to go touch screen with a Mac. There are also RSI issues. But all in all I guess it just comes down to personal preference.
Newest touch screen tech don't need you actually touch the screen, and ts is not a replacement input is an auxiliary input,.
And OSX actually has support for it. It's named cocoa touch with is a mere copy of iOS cocoa touch.
T's is gaining adept thank to windows 8, not incorporate this will kept OSX behind people minds
And OSX actually has support for it. It's named cocoa touch with is a mere copy of iOS cocoa touch.
T's is gaining adept thank to windows 8, not incorporate this will kept OSX behind people minds
That isn't what he said at all. He said those particular models were dead in the water, and he was right. Also, there is a big difference between a 7" 16:9 tablet and a nearly 8" 4:3 iPad mini. The latter has a much larger surface area.
Mac will probably eventually incorporate touch and/or 3D gestures, but Apple isn't just going to throw it in there just for the sake of doing so. Windows 8 has not gotten good reviews, partly because the Metro UI is so radically different. Apple's approach has been to make OS X and iOS more consistent first.
No way will we see a touchscreen MBP! OSX is NOT built for touch, it would be a horrible experience. Apple would not allow that.
Ps. I own an iPad mini and have praised it from day one it was released. What does it have to do with it?
Empiric arguments, OS/X's Cocoa Touch API in fact its easy to port from iOS (as initial iOS develpment ran on OS/X previous real iphone hardware).
Apple must chose Leap Motion solution and integrate it on Mac's Keyboard.
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ValSalva , sparks9 please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcBuVy--1I
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I have a Samsung Series 7 with a touch screen and have never used it this way. It's stupid (and a gimmick). I can't think of any reason to lift my lazy-assed hands from a multi-touch trackpad to point, peck and tap away at a vertical screen fighting gravity every step of the way. Just ask anyone that uses a bluetooth keyboard with their iPad. They'll tell you about "gorilla arm".
The only way I can see this is if the MB Air would have a screen that flipped around completely so you could use it as a bulky tablet. Of course like somebody mentioned, OSX would have to be revamped. And why would Apple even bother with this for less than 10% of the market share?
Touchscreens on a normal notebook are useless. Almost everyone agrees.
A notebook that also doubles as a tablet is not. Adding support in software is not an insurmountable task. The tasks one wants to do in tablet mode are preview, Browser, flicking through iphoto, itunes, videos. All apps that need nothing more than an additional gui mode borrowed from the ipad. It can switch on just like the so called full screen mode whenever the displays is switched into tablet mode.
The difference between now and the past is that 8-13W System on a Chip CPUs will come out now. Those enable a full MacBook Air with all that you can do on such a machine and still maintain a very thin easy to handle piece.
Back in the day those hybrids with pens were basically boxes and heavy too.
For pure consumption tablets work well and a notebook in tablet mode does too if it can stay cool enough. And concerning what some say get a tablet with a keyboard. It is not the same. Tablet OS suck at any serious multitasking. They just aren't cut out for it. Neither in performance nor GUI. Using them with a keyboard that has no touchpad is also annoying to say the least.
A Notebook can easily double as a tablet with far superior performance and you only need to port existing gui adjustments "modes" to a select few programs. You don't need to revamp the OS like MS did (They mostly did it to piggy back tablet and Windows Phone sales on their Desktop/notebook market share quasi monopoly). Most stuff could just stay the same. Nobody has any interest in working in Eclipse with tabsing fat fingers.
I doubt Apple will bother with it but they could and should do it in a revamp of the next gen hardware. It is just an added bit of iOS integration that for once wouldn't be dumb and useless. One reason why they might not want to do so is because they prefer people to buy multiple devices from them.
I personally don't see a point in tablets. I got a smartphone and a notebook. The only times I find tablets useful is when I sit in a position where a big notebook would work just fine or even better (video) if there wasn't that keyboard in the way. I simply wouldn't use a tablet often enough to warrant the price and practically never on the road (only smartphone). But often times I find it would be a convenient consumption device at home. If I just could use the notebook that would be something.
One example: For studying I used to read through many many pdf papers. Surfing on the web to find them in all the databases just would drive me nuts on a tablet. I need a notebook with an efficient hardcore multitasking capable browser that can offer me overview over a couple of Windows with a dozen tabs each. For reading through them and marking stuff the notebook is annoying. It works but a tablet would be better. Not a tiny one though. I would like at least A4 paper format size because PDFs can only be zoomed. Also syncing and carrying an extra tablet for the task to wherever one works is tedious.
A notebook that also doubles as a tablet is not. Adding support in software is not an insurmountable task. The tasks one wants to do in tablet mode are preview, Browser, flicking through iphoto, itunes, videos. All apps that need nothing more than an additional gui mode borrowed from the ipad. It can switch on just like the so called full screen mode whenever the displays is switched into tablet mode.
The difference between now and the past is that 8-13W System on a Chip CPUs will come out now. Those enable a full MacBook Air with all that you can do on such a machine and still maintain a very thin easy to handle piece.
Back in the day those hybrids with pens were basically boxes and heavy too.
For pure consumption tablets work well and a notebook in tablet mode does too if it can stay cool enough. And concerning what some say get a tablet with a keyboard. It is not the same. Tablet OS suck at any serious multitasking. They just aren't cut out for it. Neither in performance nor GUI. Using them with a keyboard that has no touchpad is also annoying to say the least.
A Notebook can easily double as a tablet with far superior performance and you only need to port existing gui adjustments "modes" to a select few programs. You don't need to revamp the OS like MS did (They mostly did it to piggy back tablet and Windows Phone sales on their Desktop/notebook market share quasi monopoly). Most stuff could just stay the same. Nobody has any interest in working in Eclipse with tabsing fat fingers.
I doubt Apple will bother with it but they could and should do it in a revamp of the next gen hardware. It is just an added bit of iOS integration that for once wouldn't be dumb and useless. One reason why they might not want to do so is because they prefer people to buy multiple devices from them.
I personally don't see a point in tablets. I got a smartphone and a notebook. The only times I find tablets useful is when I sit in a position where a big notebook would work just fine or even better (video) if there wasn't that keyboard in the way. I simply wouldn't use a tablet often enough to warrant the price and practically never on the road (only smartphone). But often times I find it would be a convenient consumption device at home. If I just could use the notebook that would be something.
One example: For studying I used to read through many many pdf papers. Surfing on the web to find them in all the databases just would drive me nuts on a tablet. I need a notebook with an efficient hardcore multitasking capable browser that can offer me overview over a couple of Windows with a dozen tabs each. For reading through them and marking stuff the notebook is annoying. It works but a tablet would be better. Not a tiny one though. I would like at least A4 paper format size because PDFs can only be zoomed. Also syncing and carrying an extra tablet for the task to wherever one works is tedious.
I'm shaking my head. Really badly.
The best part is when people compare a touchscreen MacBook Pro to the iPad Mini.
That's not the same situation at ALL.
That's like asking if there will be a Retina MacBook Air and people saying that there's no market for it. Nothing about the iPad Mini changed the way a user interacts with an iPad. At all.
OSX was designed to be used with a Touch Pad and a keyboard. Can you just imagine how weird you would look, fingering your Retina screen like you're paying at the self checkout at Target?
And... Why? Why do you need a touchscreen? It's completely pointless on a MacBook. There's NO demand for it because it's not something that's filling a void at all. People aren't running around saying, gosh darn it, I wish we had a touch screen on this computer. Oh my goodness, nothing on this thing works! It needs touch! People WERE however saying, the iPad was too expensive/heavy and that they wish there was an iPad smaller than 10".
The distance between a MacBook and an iPad will be closed with the iPad's growth, not a MacBook touch. iOS 8 will probably be the start of a more 'desktop like' experience on iOS for iPad's, with multi window support, full processing capabilities and drag and drop features.
The best part is when people compare a touchscreen MacBook Pro to the iPad Mini.
That's not the same situation at ALL.
That's like asking if there will be a Retina MacBook Air and people saying that there's no market for it. Nothing about the iPad Mini changed the way a user interacts with an iPad. At all.
OSX was designed to be used with a Touch Pad and a keyboard. Can you just imagine how weird you would look, fingering your Retina screen like you're paying at the self checkout at Target?
And... Why? Why do you need a touchscreen? It's completely pointless on a MacBook. There's NO demand for it because it's not something that's filling a void at all. People aren't running around saying, gosh darn it, I wish we had a touch screen on this computer. Oh my goodness, nothing on this thing works! It needs touch! People WERE however saying, the iPad was too expensive/heavy and that they wish there was an iPad smaller than 10".
The distance between a MacBook and an iPad will be closed with the iPad's growth, not a MacBook touch. iOS 8 will probably be the start of a more 'desktop like' experience on iOS for iPad's, with multi window support, full processing capabilities and drag and drop features.
To the touchscreen proponents: please tell me at lest one useful function a touchscreen would have on a laptop, something that you can't do as fast and convenient with the trackpad. Touchscreen ons tablets are wonderful and functional things. Touchscreen on laptops are useless novelty gimmicks.
Touchscreen laptops are this years 3d TVs. Laptops (like HDTVs) were becoming cheap commodities. Laptop makers needed to add something to justify another 1-200$ in price. Nothing more, not satisfying a demand, or solving a problem. It's the reason my current windows 7 laptop will be replaced this year with a MacBook.
Here want USEFULNESS on current OSX perspective, you're not designers, If you want to rise OS/X interface to the next Level you need TouchScreen.
Curious, same arguments faced Jobs when promoted the Lisa, and in fact a TouchScreen Mac OS/X was proposed many times, just not needed, neither practical.
Dont imagine what your current Apps can do with an ts, imagine what a furure app can do with an toucscreen.
BTW TouchScreen tech now is very cheap, OS/X can integrate it easy (migrating cocoa touch from iOS), and many develpers will be happy to give you a motif to touch your screen and fill on fingerprints, etc... (and most people here happy with that.
TouchScreen will come to OS/X, when, I'm not sure but not later than 2014
Curious, same arguments faced Jobs when promoted the Lisa, and in fact a TouchScreen Mac OS/X was proposed many times, just not needed, neither practical.
Dont imagine what your current Apps can do with an ts, imagine what a furure app can do with an toucscreen.
BTW TouchScreen tech now is very cheap, OS/X can integrate it easy (migrating cocoa touch from iOS), and many develpers will be happy to give you a motif to touch your screen and fill on fingerprints, etc... (and most people here happy with that.
TouchScreen will come to OS/X, when, I'm not sure but not later than 2014
Can you read?
In my post there is quite clearly stated where touchscreens are useful.
Basically everywhere a a tablet is useful today. Just that not everybody wants to carry around or even just lay out extra money for an extra device. Bigger screen and a Haswell SoC, why the hell should I own 2 specialized devices if one can work.
A notebook can be a Tablet too.
Wrong!
No, that's not what an iPad is for. iPad run iOS, MacBook Pro runs OS X...big difference. You also cannot run a Windows 8.1 VM on an iPad.
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Hopefully it will someday. For those of us that are not strictly Apple snobs and run other OS VMs on their MacBook Pro, like Windows 8.1 that would greatly benefit from a touchscreen, this is a must.
Apple needs to step up and start collaborating and sharing with other platforms and quit being so proprietary.
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No. iPad runs crappy iOS, which has very limited and "fisher price"-like behavior. Apple really needs to start working on function over form instead of making these pretty little devices that people are scared to touch.
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You hit the nail on the spot! Some of us have more things to do than use Photoshop and play with a pretty device that is treated like a God rather than a ordinary thing that gets old like everything else.
That's what iPad is for
No, that's not what an iPad is for. iPad run iOS, MacBook Pro runs OS X...big difference. You also cannot run a Windows 8.1 VM on an iPad.
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Hopefully it will someday. For those of us that are not strictly Apple snobs and run other OS VMs on their MacBook Pro, like Windows 8.1 that would greatly benefit from a touchscreen, this is a must.
Apple needs to step up and start collaborating and sharing with other platforms and quit being so proprietary.
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No. iPad runs crappy iOS, which has very limited and "fisher price"-like behavior. Apple really needs to start working on function over form instead of making these pretty little devices that people are scared to touch.
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You hit the nail on the spot! Some of us have more things to do than use Photoshop and play with a pretty device that is treated like a God rather than a ordinary thing that gets old like everything else.