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Actually, it was the MPAA's ever bungling attempt to find better DRM. . . as was 4k video, 3DTV, and now the horrible draconian Kaby lake 4k decoding implementation.

That's correct.

Apple refused to implant the DRM that MPAA wanted for Blu-Ray playback.

It was a huge controversy at the time that Microsoft implanted DRM into Windows Vista for high-definition videos playback.
 
It was the leading way to get higher definition video, but most people didn't bother adopting higher definition video at all until it became widespread on streaming services. Hell, to this day, more people buy DVDs than Blu-rays.

Sure, it's only about a third of the market. But that's a lot. And the format is undeniably superior to DVD.

My point, though, isn't that Apple should have accommodated Blu-ray. My point is that Steve Jobs was no more moved by complaints about it than the present leaders of Apple are about complaints about ports. See here, for example, including the comments, and compare to today:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-blu-ray-fiasco-the-itunes-conflict/
 
Do you think Apple will listen to their customers and put them back in the next model?

I surely hope that they listen to their customers and don't regress to using legacy ports ;)

On a more serious note, by embracing a forward-looking standard, Apple has made a bold statement and once again asserted its position as leading innovator. Going back on this would mean a huge failure for them. Its like Tesla starting making petrol cars. Simply not in company's DNA.
 
I also don´t think they will introduce the legacy ports again. They moved forward, thats it. Apple never had reintroduced any legacy port whatsoever after they cut the cord. I don´t mind the dongles btw. I just mind that especially Amazon is flooded atm by half criminal companies with shoddy usb-c cables and adapters which potentially even can break the hardware in rare cases. The USB consortium here really has to step up and increase the pressure on hardware manufacturers.
In my opinion apples move towards USB-C was about one year to early, but on the other hand someone had to do it and had to provide a decent reference implementation on how to integrate it properly in a notebook.
Most of the others have cut corners significantly in their usb-c implementations. Apple did not.
 
You know if any of those have have modular cables [that plug in on both sides] you can get a USB C to Micro-B, or micro USB, or w/e fairly cheap on amazon... or get a single USB 4 port hub and just use ONE C to A adapter...

The problem is that not all of them are for USB - one is for ethernet and one is for a display port monitor. I could get a USB C hub, but decided to wait for a thunderbolt 3 dock. Didn't expect them to take so long to be released though.
 
No, but I think if they do listen there is a chance of putting the SD card slot back and also implementing a magnetic Thunderbolt 3 port (they wouldn't use a separate port for this). They seem to be listening to complaints in terms of performance/battery life for the 2017 model so there's hope but I wouldn't expect to see it (although that could change).
 
No. UBS-C is the new standard for Mac, PCs, and phones. It is a shame Apple did not go to USB-C with iPhone 7. Samsung went there with the Note 7, and HTC, Google and others have already gone USB-C.
 
I surely hope that they listen to their customers and don't regress to using legacy ports ;)

On a more serious note, by embracing a forward-looking standard, Apple has made a bold statement and once again asserted its position as leading innovator. Going back on this would mean a huge failure for them. Its like Tesla starting making petrol cars. Simply not in company's DNA.

If it's so forward looking, why isn't Apple using it on the iPhone?

logic fails
 
Um. . . The iPhone 7 was the largest selling iPhone of all time. Also, I don't know where you've seen that USB C rumor on the iPhone 8, because EVERY RUMOR I've seen suggests it'll get everything BUT.
 
Why? I have just replaced all my USB cables to USB-c in on end and what ever I want in the other.

USB-c to lightning cable
USB-c to Micro USB cable
USB-c to USB-B cable

And a USB-c to external hard drive cable.

Just waiting for a USB c to hdmi cable.
Then after that I'm all set.

Ofcourse I have USB-c to USB-a adapter and a USB-c to Ethernet adapter.

Why should I want to go back?
Apple have a good discount on there webpage on adapters now also.
 
If it's so forward looking, why isn't Apple using it on the iPhone?

Your guess is as good as mine. But most likely because the iPhone was released before the MBP refresh and the iPhone does not really needs extensibility in the fashion that a laptop does.

logic fails

Your expectations about what and how should have happened does not necessarily equate to logic.
 
Nope because there will be less need of those legacy ports, the pain of losing those is sharp now, but it is a short term issue. As time goes on the need becomes less and less
 
If it's so forward looking, why isn't Apple using it on the iPhone?

logic fails

Because everybody moaned with the switch to Lighting making their existing accessories obsolete. You couldn't use an adapter in docks or charging stations. Switching again so soon wouldn't make sense.

It's possible the iPhone will stick with Lighting until the port is removed altogether (as opposed to changing to USB-C). It's clear Apple wants to go completely wireless and with rumours that wireless charging is a realistic goal and their obvious preference for wireless headphones, waterproofing and miniaturisation it might happen.
 
Will the next MBP contain legacy ports?
F* no.

This would have been like asking in 1999, "Will the next iMac have a floppy drive?"

Or asking in 2005, "Will the next iPod return to FireWire?"
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No. I miss the CD/DVD player.
I miss the over-the-air TV tuner in the late-1990's Performa (or whatever model it was). ;)
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No, but I think if they do listen there is a chance of putting the SD card slot back and also implementing a magnetic Thunderbolt 3 port ...
I don't think a magnetic port that often transfers data is a good idea.

There's that crowdfunded magnetic USBC-to-everything plug, and I thought it would be really cool, like the Holy Grail of MagSafe-meets-USB-C adapters. I thought, this would be sweet, I could plug in an external drive and display and power, and none of it would come crashing to the floor if I tripped over the power cord (like what almost happened to me and my mid-2012 this weekend).

But then I thought, wait a minute -- when is my external drive not on the same table as my laptop? No, when I have my external attached, I don't want it to randomly disconnect for any reason, and it's never located in a place that'll make it a trip hazard, either.

I'd be fine with regaining MagSafe via a simple power-only connector like Griffin's. But a magnetically-attached data connector? No way.
 
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Because everybody moaned with the switch to Lighting making their existing accessories obsolete. You couldn't use an adapter in docks or charging stations. Switching again so soon wouldn't make sense.

It's possible the iPhone will stick with Lighting until the port is removed altogether (as opposed to changing to USB-C). It's clear Apple wants to go completely wireless and with rumours that wireless charging is a realistic goal and their obvious preference for wireless headphones, waterproofing and miniaturisation it might happen.

Apple has full control over Lightning. They probably take in more cash from Lightning-related sales than many small countries do in taxes. You really think they would give up that much $$$$$?


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I doubt Apple would give up the control it has with licensing lightning.

Nailed it!
 
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Apple has full control over Lightning. They probably take in more cash from Lightning-related sales than many small countries do in taxes. You really think they would give up that much $$$$$?

Yes. As a percentage of Apple's total income the license fees generated by Lightning would be small potatoes. Over the years they have been reducing the costs but nobody knows for sure what they currently stand at, the information is bound by NDAs.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/07/lower-mfi-licensing-fees/
https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getFAQ.action

If dropping the Lightning port allows them to make a better iPhone it will more than make up for it in increased sales.

Apple likes charging developers and manufacturers fees, just like Alphabet. But they're not totally adverse to adopting open standards, they went USB before anybody else and have given USB-C a big shot in the arm with the new MacBooks.
 
F* no.

This would have been like asking in 1999, "Will the next iMac have a floppy drive?"

Or asking in 2005, "Will the next iPod return to FireWire?"
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I miss the over-the-air TV tuner in the late-1990's Performa (or whatever model it was). ;)
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I don't think a magnetic port that often transfers data is a good idea.

There's that crowdfunded magnetic USBC-to-everything plug, and I thought it would be really cool, like the Holy Grail of MagSafe-meets-USB-C adapters. I thought, this would be sweet, I could plug in an external drive and display and power, and none of it would come crashing to the floor if I tripped over the power cord (like what almost happened to me and my mid-2012 this weekend).

But then I thought, wait a minute -- when is my external drive not on the same table as my laptop? No, when I have my external attached, I don't want it to randomly disconnect for any reason, and it's never located in a place that'll make it a trip hazard, either.

I'd be fine with regaining MagSafe via a simple power-only connector like Griffin's. But a magnetically-attached data connector? No way.
I agree with you about a magnetically attached data connector, but that wasn't how I would see it. One way is that the area around the port could be magnetic and the charging cable connector could take advantage of this.
That's a bit messy, but even if they did go with the magnetic port, it would affect other connectors used by 3rd parties because the charging cable connector would be custom designed to easily connect and detach from the port.
 
This is why I gotten a refurb'ed MBP (late '06) with Lion. Got a set of legacy ports, plus a legacy macOS version (10.7.5 at max) No #DongleLife for me. No offense. (I might get a 2011 15' MBP with legacy ports and superDrive that can run Sierra, too)
 
I agree with you about a magnetically attached data connector, but that wasn't how I would see it. One way is that the area around the port could be magnetic and the charging cable connector could take advantage of this.
That's a bit messy, but even if they did go with the magnetic port, it would affect other connectors used by 3rd parties because the charging cable connector would be custom designed to easily connect and detach from the port.
Hmm. Kind of like a double-duty socket on the laptop, where a power connector would attach and send power via a ring around the "hole", but not actually protrude inside the socket for a mechanical connection?

I think I see now what you mean, but yeah, I also agree that it'd be messy and add more complication than it would benefits.
 
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Hmm. Kind of like a double-duty socket on the laptop, where a power connector would attach and send power via a ring around the "hole", but not actually protrude inside the socket for a mechanical connection?

I think I see now what you mean, but yeah, I also agree that it'd be messy and add more complication than it would benefits.
I was thinking it could prootrude inside the socket but they would have to have a custom new connector design for that which would be compatible with USB-C, but at then they might as well make the connector magnetic. I think having it around the port may not be the best idea.
 
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