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Will there be another Power Mac G5?
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robbieduncan said:
You're quite correct - I actually didn't mean to group those two items together and make it look like 64 versus 32 bits was a performance thing - it was just more of a random advantage I threw in there as well.
Nonetheless, Merom will still be much better than Yonah.
~Shard~ said:You're quite correct - I actually didn't mean to group those two items together and make it look like 64 versus 32 bits was a performance thing - it was just more of a random advantage I threw in there as well.
Nonetheless, Merom will still be much better than Yonah.
Merom will kick serious ass. In laptops. And small form factor desktops. Conroe is the true desktop version of Merom. It will release at the same time. Power Mac replacements will use Conroe not Merom.
Intel IDF slides.
robbieduncan said:
What kind of speeds are we looking at in terms of the Conroe chip in the Intel Pro Mac?
macgeek2005 said:
That question is difficult to answer at the moment. Clock speed being equal Conroe will be a bit faster than Merom which will be faster than Yonah (the current Intel Mac CPU). Conroe will come in multiple L2 cache sizes, bigger being better.
I believe that Conroe will launch with a top clock speed of around 2.5Ghz rising to around 3Ghz before being replaced by whatever the next core is.
More details will come out in the coming months. I think it's fair to say that running native code these machines will fly.
Edit to add: there is a little bit of detail (speculation, but believable) here
robbieduncan said:
So basically, if I buy the top of the line Intel PowerMac, it'll be obsolete within a year of the time I bought it, because they keep changing the type of Intel chip they use..........
robbieduncan said:
Yep, agreed - Merom = MacBooks (and I would bet the iMac too eventually), and Conroe = PowerMacs, with Woodcrest going into the Xserves (but ultimately going into the PowerMac as well
)~Shard~ said:Yep, agreed - Merom = MacBooks (and I would bet the iMac too eventually), and Conroe = PowerMacs, with Woodcrest going into the Xserves (but ultimately going into the PowerMac as well
When will Conroe be available?
I really don't think so. The PPC chips are done IMO, and they are just waiting to be phased out by Intel. It doesn't make sense to come out with a new G5.
Then again, word is that the Intel PM won't come out until 2007, so there is the question of what they will do within the next year. I think a possibility is MAYBE a small speed/RAM/HDD bump. Also, maybe there will be a case redesign before they switch the PM to Intel to help blur the transition line.
Just my $1.00 after spending $.98.
Then again, word is that the Intel PM won't come out until 2007, so there is the question of what they will do within the next year. I think a possibility is MAYBE a small speed/RAM/HDD bump. Also, maybe there will be a case redesign before they switch the PM to Intel to help blur the transition line.
Just my $1.00 after spending $.98.
The Intel PM CANNOT be in 2007. Steve Jobs said in the 2006 CALENDER year, ALL macs would be converted to intel. What in that do you not comprehend?
Sorry for being crabby, but i'm already upset that I have to wait until fall for the Intel Tower, and now you say not until 2007. HUMPH.
Sorry for being crabby, but i'm already upset that I have to wait until fall for the Intel Tower, and now you say not until 2007. HUMPH.
macgeek2005 said:
Tough to put an exact date on it for sure. Initially it wasn't supposed to be until later in 06, however Intel has said they're about 6 months ahead of schedule, so that could mean in a few months the chip will be ready. Now, how quickly Apple could turn around and implement that chip in a system successfully, is another question...
macgeek2005 said:
He's said a couple of different things about the conversion and they conflict. (It's a good thing this is the only issue like that.
) I'm not betting on either situation, after all, it was absolutely certain that the consumer Macs would be converted first.
jhu said:
Nah, this transition is all about Intel's new brands. I don't think we'll be seeing any P4s, Xeons or Itaniums of any iteration in a Mac, whether they be new, old, dual core, or what have you. This transition is about Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest and beyond.
Not saying it wouldn't be cool, but it just won't happen.
~Shard~ said:Nah, this transition is all about Intel's new brands. I don't think we'll be seeing any P4s, Xeons or Itaniums of any iteration in a Mac, whether they be new, old, dual core, or what have you. This transition is about Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest and beyond.
Not saying it wouldn't be cool, but it just won't happen.
it's not as silly as it sounds. intel's plan for itanium was to replace x86 entirely at some point in the future. looks like they're still waiting. however, now that they've had their big coup of putting their chips in apple's computers, itanium might finally get some consumer appeal. the most logical place would be high-end power macs and xserves.
I wouldn't say there's nothing they can do until the intel switch. Firstly, they can overclock the chips a little to 2.7, and they could also do something *crazy* like putting PCI slots back in their "pro" machines for pro AUDIO people with powercores, UADs, RME cards etc.
I can't get a new G5 because I can't afford the extra few £k on getting firewire versions of what I already have. I'm sure I'm not alone in that I'm waiting for a machine to come out that I can actually use.
It's interesting that Logic is now out for Intel without any pro hardware to run it on.
I can't get a new G5 because I can't afford the extra few £k on getting firewire versions of what I already have. I'm sure I'm not alone in that I'm waiting for a machine to come out that I can actually use.
It's interesting that Logic is now out for Intel without any pro hardware to run it on.
cube said:
You mean Q1 2007 right? It's Q1 2006 right now
But I disagree with the wait for Dempsey. Woodcrest (the server version of Conroe) would enable Apple to ship a Quad (or more) Mac Pro in the second half of this year (probably Q4).
jhu said:
Quite true - I definitely wouldn't complain if this was the case, but as I said, I just don't see it happening.
It will depend exactly what the specs/benchmarks on Woodcrest come out as, as well.