marshallfox
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First world problems, right? lol
To your point, if my cousins weren't in dire need of a new computer for their YouTube channel and I couldn't swing it, I would wait too.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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To your point, if my cousins weren't in dire need of a new computer for their YouTube channel and I couldn't swing it, I would wait too.
anthony13
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Azrael, thanks for the informative reply. New design indeed. Let’s hope. I’m also contemplating an external drive for a lot of content. Running apps from an external wouldn’t slow them down at all?
Same happened to me. I revived the GPU by baking it. What did you do with it?
It it said after baking the GPU it will work for around 6 months, I did that in March...
I don’t thing you were waiting from the moment you bought it, right?
Nah, it will all be over by xmas 2021. 2 years transition means that they will have A14 and A15. A16 is too far so they won't reach that. So for that reason, A15 will be ready in September 2021 so its all about timing for Apple. Shopping season also so November 2021 I guess all done. Maybe Mac Pro might lag a bit but I think we will be done by the end of next year. Apple likes to underpromise and overdeliver (except when it comes to specs 😀 😀 😀 ) and when Tim says pipeline products. Those 2 sucks - rest the above apply ;-)
DQ11
macrumors regular
Same.
I'm actually ok with the 2019....it's a huge upgrade from my 2007 macbook pro 🤣......but I'd rather have the 2020.
Last time I bought this, Apple introduced new macbook Pros like 1.5 months later, so I've already been saving for a while, I can wait a couple more months if I have to but I'd rather be able to purchase it within the next 30 days.
I hope we get some kind of announcement or leak or something.
I’ve decided I’m waiting until the end of July. If there’s no new Intel iMac or solid news I’m going with a iMac Pro refurb from Apple. Thats the only model I won’t feel bad buying if new models are released the month after I get it, it’s a great machine for design & audio production which is what I do. Some thoughts on this decision:
- Will these new 2020 intel iMacs really have the power, cooling system and no fan noise features of the 2017 Pro and be sold at a much cheaper price?
- Why not wait for the next iMac Pro? Won’t be able to afford it. Prices are getting low on the 2017’s Lately.
- 2017 old design? I actually love everything about it. Never thought about bezels until coming to this site. I don’t even notice that when I’m working on an iMac. Space gray changes everything too...looks awesome to me.
- Currently on a 2010 27” iMac. Surprisingly Logic works great on it, but everything else...pretty slow. Can’t wait until fall, plus who knows when they’ll be able to deliver. Supplies are slow as it is now, seems like lots of demand for the next iMac too. Will there be shortages? I’m losing to much work time waiting...can’t wait until next year. Workflow is really suffering.
- it’s a 2017 model...they’ll stop supporting it soon You might think. This would be a transition computer for me, I think they’ll support it for 3-5 years like all the other intel stuff, even if I can’t upgrade to a few OS‘s it‘s fine, I can work with that.
- What if the next machine has a great new design? What if I don’t like the new design? I already know I love the current Pro. If I like the new design I’ll get the refined AS version when the transition is worked out and I know all my plugins work.
- Will these new 2020 intel iMacs really have the power, cooling system and no fan noise features of the 2017 Pro and be sold at a much cheaper price?
- Why not wait for the next iMac Pro? Won’t be able to afford it. Prices are getting low on the 2017’s Lately.
- 2017 old design? I actually love everything about it. Never thought about bezels until coming to this site. I don’t even notice that when I’m working on an iMac. Space gray changes everything too...looks awesome to me.
- Currently on a 2010 27” iMac. Surprisingly Logic works great on it, but everything else...pretty slow. Can’t wait until fall, plus who knows when they’ll be able to deliver. Supplies are slow as it is now, seems like lots of demand for the next iMac too. Will there be shortages? I’m losing to much work time waiting...can’t wait until next year. Workflow is really suffering.
- it’s a 2017 model...they’ll stop supporting it soon You might think. This would be a transition computer for me, I think they’ll support it for 3-5 years like all the other intel stuff, even if I can’t upgrade to a few OS‘s it‘s fine, I can work with that.
- What if the next machine has a great new design? What if I don’t like the new design? I already know I love the current Pro. If I like the new design I’ll get the refined AS version when the transition is worked out and I know all my plugins work.
Spudlicious
macrumors 6502a
A computer is a major purchase for most of us, making the choice and taking the plunge are fraught decisions. That's always true, and it's also true that there will always be new models coming down the road. But newer is not always better, changes can be retrograde from the user point of view. Case in point, take the 2016 MacBook Pro. It had a more muscular CPU than the 2015 model, yes, but Apple in their infinite wisdom had axed the magsafe power connector, lost the SD card slot entirely, reduced the serial port count, introduced the laughable Touch Bar, and (most famously) had fitted a rubbish keyboard. Heavens to Betsy, they even removed the iconic glowing Apple lid logo that still features in just about every media appearance of a MacBook.
In the undiscovered country of the future there may be some great computers from Apple, or there may be some turkeys destined to be infamous markers on the road to Apple quitting the computer market. What chance the first Arm Macs will be instant classics? Who expects Big Sur to have users purring with delight? Kick your crystal ball off the pitch, dude, go with what you know you like.
A 'seed planter,' eh?
'...the iMac AS 24 inches...honey, wife darling...it's just for 'you...' think of what you could do with that 24 inch...workstation...'
That old chestnut, eh? She still falling for dat?
*shakes head.
Nice large room, well lit. With your kit set up well. (Is the white 'captain's chair' comfy?)
I see you've relegated the 'heavy' (I find it hard going with pressing...) Apple mouse to the shelf? Better as art than mouse perhaps...
Your 2015 iMac. Was it starting to get 'leggy' (slow?) for your work loads?
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Well said.
I expect the consumer Mac transition to be over in 7 months from the 1st shipping consumer Macs... (as the iMac24, Mini and Macbook 13/Air all have comparable performance...they'll all likely get tuned versions of the AS14...so nothing impeding their introduction other than marketing and the readiness of the AS14 silicon. They can use the same chassis bar the iMac which is over due the design anyhow.)
...and within one year total. (Including Pro AS Macs.)
Azrael.
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If your workflow is suffering it tells you what you must do.
One tea leaf rumour did say a new Intel iMac would be released within a month (whilst others had said at WWDC2020...) of the article being written. June 28th. That would put an iMac at 28th of July. But like all rumours, we have to wait and see.
As for iMac Pros. The new Intel iMacs will probably make the consumer iMac more competitive with it. At a far cheaper price. That said? I find the iMac Pro the 'ultimate' iMac. Great sound, sexy looks, super performance, decent specs...just...exorbitant on price. But if you look on eBay...many iMac Pros are starting to go for around £3500. And even some resellers are getting in on the act. Get Apple Care on that and you have a decent machine. It might be an idea to go into some 3rd party Apple dealers...and do some haggle practice see how 'low' a price you can get.
Is it a Fusion Drive iMac? (Just wondering why its 'slow' on everything else. Could it be the SSD part of the your Fusion Drive is full up?) Would it be worth getting an external SSD to ease the workload on your internal drive (without knowing your exact set up...)? My external SSD is faster than the Fusion Sake(!) drive...
As for whether it gets the new design. Many rumours have said so. But those aren't a guarantee until Apple drops the hammer. And yes, cooling and the fan noise a computer makes is something that is increasingly important to creatives. (I used to be a bit 'meh' about all that...but now...with my gpu frying like an egg...I'm definitely more aware of this aspect...) So a new design in terms of thermals is important. That's where the iMac Pro has a strong hand with its superior cooling.
Whether you or we like the aesthetics. That's another thing.
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In a nutshell.
It's fraught with emotion and big finance. *(Once bought an iBook and the new model came out a month after... Felt the burn on that one...)
I don't want to be holding the pass the parcel on a 2019 model if the 2020 model drops late July... (though rumours are pointing to 'fall' now.)
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My Samsung SSD? Is *faster* than my internal Fusion Sake Drive.
I'm definitely going for Boot Drive, Apps, Data.
Keep the boot drive clean.
Have a drive for Apps.
Have a drive for Data.
(What are 1TB SSDs? £100 each? So, for £200 quid you keep your main machine clean. And it would be far less pain to do a re-install if something happened or you just wanted to 'spring clean' with a re-install or factory reset.)
That way, keep the crud from building up and slowing down the main machine. This is why many machines appear to 'slow down.' It's happened with my 2012 iMac. All the research, the numerous files..., the stuff on your desktop, all the internet search history or favourites...all the apps...as your hard drive gets full...it all seems to add up to the main boot drive getting bogged down over time.
This way. Your main 'work environment' stays (relatively) lightning fast.
(I saw one 21 inch iMac still on the old 5400RPM drive. When the persuaded the user to get an upgrade to an external SSD with a newer Mac OS? Lighting fast machine! Whilst keeping the original machine 'in-state.')
And using the external HD approach means you can keep your 'stable' OS environment...and test other Mac OS releases on an external hard drive without compromising your main rig.
The Fusion Drive speeds are nothing special. It's old tech'. And the SSD part of it is tiny now. I was quite impressed by the Macbook 12 incher (just in terms of its boot speed...) and if we look at the SSD speeds of every other Apple machine...they seem to bury the iMac Fusion Drive speed. Certainly the older ones.
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pldelisle
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Apple Rumored to Be Working on an ARM-Based Console Most Likely Featuring Its Own A-Series Silicon
After rumors of a powerful Apple TV inbound, Apple is reported to be working on an ARM-based console that will take on current-gen hardware
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The implications of AS14 and A14 cpu/gpu in general are quite clear.
More capable consumer gaming experiences whether iPhone, iPad, ATV or AS Mac ARM consumer devices...are coming.
£999 iMac 24? Yes please.
Azrael.
CWallace
macrumors G5
If that is indeed the plan, then you understand why the Mac Pro (and it's accessories) are so expensive. They have to recover millions (if not tens of millions) in R&D and production spend with one or two years worth of sales so the margins have to be ridiculous.
But I'll be honest - I don't see it happening that way. Even if Apple felt they could find enough suckers to spend five figures on a product that was DoA to recover the costs, that would ensure those people would never touch their products again.
IMO, I think the Mac Pro will stay Intel for years to come, but I could conceivably see an Apple Silicon "processor card" being released for it to native run AS code. Apple has done it before, after all.
Apple Rumored to Be Working on an ARM-Based Console Most Likely Featuring Its Own A-Series Silicon
After rumors of a powerful Apple TV inbound, Apple is reported to be working on an ARM-based console that will take on current-gen hardware
The implications of AS14 and A14 cpu/gpu in general are quite clear.
More capable consumer gaming experiences whether iPhone, iPad, ATV or AS Mac ARM consumer devices...are coming.
£999 iMac 24? Yes please.
Azrael.
A console? How many products are Apple going to make?
I think we already have Apple silicon in the Mac pro in form of the afterburner card. More of these cards can come. The MPX modules are nice packages for adding AS functions. Hard to believe that Mac Pro is dead in two years time. It might see stiff competition from AS but I think Mac Pro is the last to go together with an intel MBP16. Apple is large enough to support the two lines for awhile. All laptops and iMacs will likely go AS very soon (a year).
The first dedicated AS for Mac with active cooling will be very important for Apple as it will give us consumers and investors a guide what is possible with such a SoC. An iPad AS will be seen as a failure. So no, I do not think the iMac 24 will have the same performance bracket as a low end laptop. If they give us the same performance as a high end MBP16 with the first AS for iMac, I am fine.
I think we already have Apple silicon in the Mac pro in form of the afterburner card. More of these cards can come. The MPX modules are nice packages for adding AS functions. Hard to believe that Mac Pro is dead in two years time. It might see stiff competition from AS but I think Mac Pro is the last to go together with an intel MBP16. Apple is large enough to support the two lines for awhile. All laptops and iMacs will likely go AS very soon (a year).
The first dedicated AS for Mac with active cooling will be very important for Apple as it will give us consumers and investors a guide what is possible with such a SoC. An iPad AS will be seen as a failure. So no, I do not think the iMac 24 will have the same performance bracket as a low end laptop. If they give us the same performance as a high end MBP16 with the first AS for iMac, I am fine.
Well...people keep buying those For Fusion Sakes iMacs even though they're 8 year old tech'...
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Good catch, Homy. 🙂
I caught that link on the 'Metal' thread re: 'The Rebirth of Mac Gaming.'
And it's a terrific five star summation of what's going on and how it's going to go down.
I recommend watching this YouTube video.
Empirical.
Well done to the author of the video.
Any body interested on where Mac AS is going?
He even mentions Ray Tracing...which has, apparently, been with us for some time...
Azrael.
Rumour has it a 'troller' by Apple is on its way...which, by extension, at least supports the ATV which would be very potent if it had the A12z. Even better? Put an A14x in there. That would be some imperious hardware.
We can't rule out anything re: Apple. If they think they can make £££ out of it.
The living room is not a battle they are going to walk away from. They have Arcade and ATV+. All the iOS hardware is pending a boost to A14. The Mac (consumer line) is pending for AS14.
That's some pretty powerful hardware alignment.
A14x in iPad makes it far more powerful than a Nintendo Switch? More powerful than last gen consoles? And all over the Intel consumer cpus and iGPU.
The Mac consumer line is...mediocre. If they put the Mini, Macbook 13, iMac 24 on AS14 with 8 cores (Plus 4 low power) and GPUs...I don't see how there isn't a rising tide for all boats.
Intel 6 core cpus and the gpu options from £750-£2000 in 'consumer' Mac land are dreadful for the amount of money laid out. Mediocre low end Radeon options...and atrocious Intel iGPU.
It's such a low bar...I look at an iPad 12.9 A12z experience...and extrapolate that to an uncaged lion running with co-processors, more gpu cores...higher clocks...active cooling...software tuned...
...and it's so transformative it will bring down 'pro' performance levels down to consumer levels. And the era of consumer gaming Macs.
Add up a write once deploy multiple hardware of AS Mac, iphone, iPad, ATV...that's millions, tens of millions and hundreds of millions of units per year. All to the same family. There's been nothing like what's coming. The AS Mac gets millions of apps...millions...games...apps....'just like that.' And that will bring the devs...and sooner or later if they want in on the Apple app store? It will have to be Metal and all the juicy apps and games along with it. The competition will be immense. No surprise MS and Adobe are in early on the AS Mac...and Affinity have already commited to updating their fantastic suite on AS Mac!
Eg. Tomb Raider running (looks pretty) under emulation super smooth and 3 x 4k streams on a 'beta ARM Mac Mini' using a chip from an iPad which toasts its most direct competition. Working with multi-gig PS files with 'instant' workflows. It might not all be like that. But it shows the potential of tuned experiences. And I'd take an 'iPad' like user experience. Lightning speed and smooth as butter user experience with strong gaming performance.
Scale that up? Intel? You're a dead man.
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In short, I think the ATV becomes a 'console' by default (if not, there's nothing from stopping them from building their own full fledged console...) and the iMac 24 will be a credible 'gaming Mac.'
Even the Mac Mini should be viable. It's iGPU is a terrible. In fact, the Mini becomes very interesting indeed for £750 with AS14 with 8 cores and many gpu cores. Gotta see dat one.
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Great! Can we also get a payment model for grownups? Pay once and play for ever? "Free" and micro transactions are a real turnoffs. I am fine with Civ 6 model where you pay for new extended game.
CWallace
macrumors G5
Apple II processor cards - Wikipedia
Macintosh Processor Upgrade Card - Wikipedia
Well it's "8 year old tech" in that Intel hasn't really done anything with CPUs since Haswell and AMD was stuck on Polaris for almost a half-decade, themselves. 😡
pldelisle
macrumors 68020
You can’t be more right about this. And I’d say even since Sandy Bridge, because seriously, my 9 years old 2700K still get the job done. My Haswell MBP too.Apple II processor cards - Wikipedia
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Macintosh Processor Upgrade Card - Wikipedia
Well it's "8 year old tech" in that Intel hasn't really done anything with CPUs since Haswell and AMD was stuck on Polaris for almost a half-decade, themselves. 😡
It’s crazy how things didn’t evolved in the last decade apart from Nvidia.
At least Apple said this decade won’t be like the last one !!!