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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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It is about liking something that is not in your hands yet what makes you a fan.
You are not seeing the flaws in your club while you are getting exited about the young, unproven, player that has just been signed for millions. Thats what fans do.

Realists might be more like. This sounds promising. But there is also this, that and those things that first need to be worked out both within the clubs current structure and in the development of that new player. Lets see were this actually goes.

I can't reiterate enough how willingly apple sold ****** products in the past few years. The 12 inch MacBook being the pinical of the overprices horrible (and the macbook lineup in general being disliked by my personal preference while the iMac still is rocking fusion drive even in it's 2500€ models).
Wait and see. If the first gen turns out bad or badly/glitchy supported by software apple (hopefully) will just sell something better years later at the same premium price while you sit there with your 4000€ machine you got all hyped about and now see it clearly distinguished as the introduction model (think the first iPad, think the first Apple Watch).

Unless you got tens of thousands of euro sitting in your bank account to be spend carelessly, it's okay to be careful with those sums of money. These big companies are not on your side, they are on the side of their stock holders. (just think about how google dropped "don't be evil" from their company code and switched it to "do the right thing" - the right thing for who? ;) )
You know little about me. I try to focus on positive aspects rather then on negative but OK here's my (polite) negative list of opinions:

Macbook Air - never understood this machine, completely meaningless
Macbook 12 - equally meaningless machine.
MBP13, cannot do work on a 13 inch screen using CPU and GPU that are barely is adequate
MBP16- passable size and components but screen is too small with many widows open.
iMac 21,5 inch : too small for a desktop.
iMac 27 inch : to noisy if you do something heavy or use i9 chip
iMac Pro : Too expensive but a nice machine (Put the iMac into iMac Pro case and we have a winner)
Mac Pro: It is too expensive for a complete Apple setup including a XDR screen. I can afford it* but its too large for my home office and I rather use the money for something else.
XDR screen. Does not really like the looks of it so I pass.

*Because I keep my machines for 7-10 years, price is not particularly important.

Is that sufficiently negative for you? If I go bitter or ridicule Apple (common here) or make general negative statements that definitely applies to the PC camp as well (also common here), I will only aggravate others. What is the point of that? This list will only give negative response from readers with other needs and rightly so, so why at all vent them?

Guess why I am happy for a 24 inch passively cooled AS iMac for $2000 (2Tb SSD) provided that the key softwares I use work? Should I focus on all these negative of should I focus on the positive sides?
 
It is about liking something that is not in your hands yet what makes you a fan.
You are not seeing the flaws in your club while you are getting exited about the young, unproven, player that has just been signed for millions. Thats what fans do.

Realists might be more like. This sounds promising. But there is also this, that and those things that first need to be worked out both within the clubs current structure and in the development of that new player. Lets see were this actually goes.

I can't reiterate enough how willingly apple sold ****** products in the past few years. The 12 inch MacBook being the pinical of the overprices horrible (and the macbook lineup in general being disliked by my personal preference while the iMac still is rocking fusion drive even in it's 2500€ models).
Wait and see. If the first gen turns out bad or badly/glitchy supported by software apple (hopefully) will just sell something better years later at the same premium price while you sit there with your 4000€ machine you got all hyped about and now see it clearly distinguished as the introduction model (think the first iPad, think the first Apple Watch).

Unless you got tens of thousands of euro sitting in your bank account to be spend carelessly, it's okay to be careful with those sums of money. These big companies are not on your side, they are on the side of their stock holders. (just think about how google dropped "don't be evil" from their company code and switched it to "do the right thing" - the right thing for who? ;) )

Get in there DrRadon.

The Dr is getting the scalpal out...

Lovely, my san...

Spicey read. Got my Apple juices flowing that one..

Jobs would be proud of you.

Azrael.
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You know little about me. I try to focus on positive aspects rather then on negative but OK here's my (polite) negative list of opinions:

Macbook Air - never understood this machine, completely meaningless
Macbook 12 - equally meaningless machine.
MBP13, cannot do work on a 13 inch screen using CPU and GPU that are barely is adequate
MBP16- passable size and components but screen is too small with many widows open.
iMac 21,5 inch : too small for a desktop.
iMac 27 inch : to noisy if you do something heavy or use i9 chip
iMac Pro : Too expensive but a nice machine (Put the iMac into iMac Pro case and we have a winner)
Mac Pro: It is too expensive for a complete Apple setup including a XDR screen. I can afford it* but its too large for my home office and I rather use the money for something else.
XDR screen. Does not really like the looks of it so I pass.

*Because I keep my machines for 7-10 years, price is not particularly important.

Is that sufficiently negative for you? If I go bitter or ridicule Apple (common here) or make general negative statements that definitely applies to the PC camp as well (also common here), I will only aggravate others. What is the point of that? This list will only give negative response from readers with other needs and rightly so, so why at all vent them?

Guess why I am happy for a 24 inch passively cooled AS iMac for $2000 (2Tb SSD) provided that the key softwares I use work? Should I focus on all these negative of should I focus on the positive sides?

ooh. It's hotting up on this thread...gettin' rate tasty.

Your appraisal of Apple's products was pretty nailed on.

Like a laser through the butter of APple's marketing.

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Positive and negative are the two sides of the same coin.

We can say what we like about a company.

eg. Yaayyyy. Apple made a boat load of money...so it won't be fearing bankruptcy?
eg. Boooo. They hosed me for a consumer iMac with mediocre specs to get there.

We know that Mac OS is the reason we use the hardware. 100%. But it's taking the pish to spend £6000 to get a low end tower that 'looks' beautifully engineered. Catalina sounded like a disaster? But maybe Apple's team are divided into Big Sur...and also the sideline 'full fat' Mac OS for iPhone and iPad? (Rumoured.)

£5k to get the ultimate iMac? Taking the PISH... If it was £2500? I'd say that's where it needs to be and I'd be happy to buy that. Even still. Those specs re: cpu and gpu are getting on a bit. 3 year's old. I'd simply ship the iMac Pro case and cooling with the new cpu and gpu. At the iMac consumer prosumer crowd.

For me. It comes down to a good deal. Jobs knew that. He even wanted the original Mac to be cheaper. :p

Flagship products at fair prices. He put the product and customer 1st and the shareholders 2nd.

Apple have always been a bit greedy. But under current leadership? REALLY hyper greedy.

£1k. £1.5k. £2k. £3k. £5k. £6k.

You look at what you're getting. These aren't small sums of money.

£6k plus £5k. £11k To get a tower and a monitor? With NO cheaper options?

YEah. If I was a millionaire and I could throw money around. Or Duvet YouTuber that fit in with Apple's smaltzy ideal lifestyle branding...

Remember when Apple's iMac was a killer product for £1100? Now we have a pile of crap for £1050. That's Apple's inflation for you.

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Macbook Air - never understood this machine, completely meaningless

I like it. My wife has a 2014 one. She likes it. Still work on it every day. Her job provides an HP laptop and she doesn't want to see it. But again, the Air will shine again with the AS and better integrated graphics. Now, it's a crippled down, squeezed Intel chip that heats the hell out of it with a serious question mark on the cooling system (wtf having a fan not connected to the CPU die ???). With AS, it will likely be passively cooled, just like the MacBook 12, but soooo much more performant. If I was Apple, I would also release a 15 inch version of the Air. A less performant but less overpriced MacBook Pro 16, smaller form factor, lighter. This would likely sell very well I think.


Macbook 12 - equally meaningless machine.

Damn yes. A funny engineering trip on cocain *caugh Ive caugh*

MBP13, cannot do work on a 13 inch screen using CPU and GPU that are barely is adequate

If someone wants to be mobile, this is THE Apple laptop to get. But yeah, for long days, working on a 13 inch is a pain. You must plug in an external monitor.


MBP16- passable size and components but screen is too small with many widows open.

This laptop is perfect. The screen is perfect. Keep in mind you cannot have a 27 inch laptop dude.

iMac 21,5 inch : too small for a desktop.

Agree. This desktop form factor is has been.

iMac Pro : Too expensive but a nice machine (Put the iMac into iMac Pro case and we have a winner)

Outdated component for LONG time ago.

iMac 27 inch : to noisy if you do something heavy or use i9 chip

Still outdated since a FREAKING LONG time ago.

Mac Pro: It is too expensive for a complete Apple setup including a XDR screen. I can afford it* but its too large for my home office and I rather use the money for something else.

Everybody needs the performance of this Mac Pro, but nobody has the cash for it. Find the mistake.

XDR screen. Does not really like the looks of it so I pass.

Nobody *needs* this screen. Just release a standard, updated Thunderbolt Display that matches the entire line up and pairs well with any of these.



You forgot the Mac mini.

Again, will only shine with AS. Same reason as the MacBook Air. Will likely not be passively cooled, unless they revisit the design and make it damn more affordable.


*Because I keep my machines for 7-10 years, price is not particularly important.

Same here. When I buy, I buy in a big time. That's why I'll be waiting as long as possible for an ARM Apple computer.
 
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Out of all the current products I would say the 16" mbp is close to perfect. It is a beautiful machine .. only problem is how loud it gets. Hopefully AS will fix that issue.
 
Out of all the current products I would say the 16" mbp is close to perfect. It is a beautiful machine .. only problem is how loud it gets. Hopefully AS will fix that issue.
Yep totally agree. This is the closest to perfection an Apple laptop has ever been.
Same for the MBP13. These two are near perfect. If the MBP13 would have been a MBP14 it would have been even more a perfect line up.

MacBook Air 13, MacBook Pro 14 MiniLED, MacBook Pro 16 MiniLED, all on Apple Silicon. This is the perfect mobile computer line up. Only miss a MacBook Air 15.
 
I like it. My wife has a 2014 one. She likes it. Still work on it every day. Her job provides an HP laptop and she doesn't want to see it. But again, the Air will shine again with the AS and better integrated graphics. Now, it's a crippled down, squeezed Intel chip that heats the hell out of it with a serious question mark on the cooling system (wtf having a fan not connected to the CPU die ???). With AS, it will likely be passively cooled, just like the MacBook 12, but soooo much more performant. If I was Apple, I would also release a 15 inch version of the Air. A less performant but less overpriced MacBook Pro 16, smaller form factor, lighter. This would likely sell very well I think.




Damn yes. A funny engineering trip on cocain *caugh Ive caugh*



If someone wants to be mobile, this is THE Apple laptop to get. But yeah, for long days, working on a 13 inch is a pain. You must plug in an external monitor.




This laptop is perfect. The screen is perfect. Keep in mind you cannot have a 27 inch laptop dude.



Agree. This desktop form factor is has been.



Outdated component for LONG time ago.



Still outdated since a FREAKING LONG time ago.



Everybody needs the performance of this Mac Pro, but nobody has the cash for it. Find the mistake.



Nobody *needs* this screen. Just release a standard, updated Thunderbolt Display that matches the entire line up and pairs well with any of these.



You forgot the Mac mini.

Again, will only shine with AS. Same reason as the MacBook Air. Will likely not be passively cooled, unless they revisit the design and make it damn more affordable.




Same here. When I buy, I buy in a big time.
As said, different opinions of good and bad products and I respect that fully! We can focus on the positives or always generalise on the negative. I know what makes me happy.

The mini does not ever register on my radar, it is so insignificant. No really, it is a misunderstood product that could be utilised much better in particular with a low cost Apple screen that also can be used for laptops. I agree, the mini with AS will be superintersting.

No no, I did it again! I said something positive about a future Apple product! Sorry for being and Apple fan!
 
Yep totally agree. This is the closest to perfection an Apple laptop has ever been.
Same for the MBP13. These two are near perfect. If the MBP13 would have been a MBP14 it would have been even more a perfect line up.

MacBook Air 13, MacBook Pro 14 MiniLED, MacBook Pro 16 MiniLED, all on Apple Silicon. This is the perfect mobile computer line up. Only miss a MacBook Air 15.
PLEASE OH PLEASE GET RID OF THE F11CKING TOUCH BAR!

PS. I bought a 12in MacBook (as a 3rd machine). What a clown I was (and arguably still am). It’s something I have to live with, right up until the grave. Tough one, tough one indeed. Not sure if I can carry that burden.
 
PLEASE OH PLEASE GET RID OF THE F11CKING TOUCH BAR!
They won't. It's a unique feature. No other one on the market still have this. And I personally find it beautiful on the laptop. And the fact the visualization is programmable, dynamic, changing depending of the app/utilization makes it far useful than fixed, pre-programmed f-keys. It's like the blackberry vs iPhone back in 2007.
 
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They won't. It's a unique feature. No other one on the market still have this. And I personally find it beautiful on the laptop.
Well, my opinions are invalid anyway, since I bought the 12in MB (and rightfully so).

Beautiful, but slower and less useful to a big time DJ such as myself. ;) I’m constantly hitting the pause/play and seek forward buttons, to skip the questionable songs in my playlists.

I don’t know why I am moaning (classic Brit), I am not in the market for a laptop anytime soon. AS Mac mini here we come!!!
 
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I don't agree, I have the touchbar and to me its the worst thing they could have put in there. Watch back the presentation and you will see how bad it is :))))
Its just too small to be useful and to be honest, the touchbar should have been implemented in the trackpad. Your fingers are already there (unless you are using wacom or mouse) so that could be a better implementation but i still feel its a useless gimmick. I hardly ever use it because I still haven't found anything that would be useful or quicker. Its just cumbersome feature.

They won't. It's a unique feature. No other one on the market still have this. And I personally find it beautiful on the laptop. And the fact the visualization is programmable, dynamic, changing depending of the app/utilization makes it far useful than fixed, pre-programmed f-keys. It's like the blackberry vs iPhone back in 2007.
 
the Mac mini.

Again, will only shine with AS.

I'm feeling optimistic enough to agree with that.

Azrael.
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I don't agree, I have the touchbar and to me its the worst thing they could have put in there. Watch back the presentation and you will see how bad it is :))))
Its just too small to be useful and to be honest, the touchbar should have been implemented in the trackpad. Your fingers are already there (unless you are using wacom or mouse) so that could be a better implementation but i still feel its a useless gimmick. I hardly ever use it because I still haven't found anything that would be useful or quicker. Its just cumbersome feature.

'Touch Bar.'

'It's crap....whoar(!) it's crap. Bl**dy rubbish. Rubbish.' Brian Clough.

Azrael.
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I don’t know why I am moaning (classic Brit), I am not in the market for a laptop anytime soon. AS Mac mini here we come!!!

'Nobody likes a good moan more than me...well...apart from my wife...and a few of her friends.' :p

...and the sun is shining today.

AS Mini!!! GO! GO!! GO!!!

Azrael.
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They won't. It's a unique feature.

Uniquely bad.

Azrael.
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PLEASE OH PLEASE GET RID OF THE F11CKING TOUCH BAR!

Amen to that.

Azrael.
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The mini does not ever register on my radar, it is so insignificant.

Ouch. That's gonna hurt in the morning.

Azrael.
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...and now for something completely different...


There you go, Apple. Actual high end gpu performance.


...if they can deliver before 2022... :p Apple will beyond caring and transitioned by then.


...and how this relates to the iMac of this thread? The mysterious Geekbencher? A lower clocked cpu...using less power..? Will this be unveiled in September 2nd?


Oh...it's mystery...do do do...

Azrael.
 
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Mac Pro: It is too expensive for a complete Apple setup including a XDR screen. I can afford it* but its too large for my home office and I rather use the money for something else.

Agreed.
If this thing was priced sensibly, say a couple thousand cheaper it would be a viable option for many. With it’s expandability and open architecture, it won’t be obsolete a quickly, hence the cost is amortized over a much longer period.

I mean most were simply asking Apple to bring the basic tower back (after that trash can debacle). We didn’t expect them to price it over the moon!

So what we’re left with is the only other desktop with a decent GPU...the iMac. And hence why we’re all here waiting, and waiting...
 
Agreed.
If this thing was priced sensibly, say a couple thousand cheaper it would be a viable option for many. With it’s expandability and open architecture, it won’t be obsolete a quickly, hence the cost is amortized over a much longer period.

I mean most were simply asking Apple to bring the basic tower back (after that trash can debacle). We didn’t expect them to price it over the moon!

So what we’re left with is the only other desktop with a decent GPU...the iMac. And hence why we’re all here waiting, and waiting...

Dream power can be had in PCs at £1500 and £2500 that bury the Mac Pro. Apple have distorted all reality behind their pricing vortex and alienated those that left for PC land anyway...and those remainers that were £1500-£3k Mac tower buyers.

They over engineered it so they could sell over priced modules... No 'basic' (between the Mac Mini and Mac Pro) inbetween option.

Heck. You even get x3 boutique AiO options. But a common garden tower? No...

We're Apple. We're 'special.' Uh-huh.

iMac. With out of date graphics.

Meanwhile...Nvidia are ready to pounce again...talk about being lapped and lapped again.

Azrael.
 
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The exact question can be put for a PC. What is the benefit of using PCs? Cheaper - yes but you really get what you pay of ran the low end, more reliable - hardly, more upgradable - only a few models the rest are are un-upgradable as any Mac, thermally contained - many or most models just like Apple.yes but considering the 5-10% increase in performance between generations, what does a few month do in the end? It is not black and white.

Apple does not have an affordable tower for DIY upgrades, which is a valid complaint. However, towers are not as popular anymore because there are computers of many sizes and thermal envelopes to people can chose from and as it turned out, towers are not the dominating form factor anymore.

So towers are not as popular?

Are you suggesting that poor value for money, and the pharma-bro selling strategy will somehow help this?

Those strategies are at odds with the original vision for the iMac in particular.

I don't use PC and I own an iPhone because I use Apple hardware – it's definitely not the other way around. PC isn't relevant to me at this point in time, though I've used them for work on occasions.

I'm obviously hopeful that things might change at Apple (which is the company we're talking about).

Clapping mindlessly after every move when the moves have been largely on the nose for a long time now is not helpful or clever imo. Optimism is good, but so is the ability to critique and see the value of what is in front of you now.

I do agree however with others who have said that the 16" MacBook Pro is a good product, albeit a noisey one. I'd put money into one of those before an iMac based on current specs, and have happily used a mid 2018 MacBook over recent years.

I'd prefer an iMac though now, with travel not a big feature of life for a while. I'm just kind of shell shocked after realising that there is no value for money in the current iMac lineup.

More price points, expensive build to order additions, lack of realistic pricing on something as basic as RAM, and horrendously outdated graphics cards are where Apple is at on the iMac. Max one out with RAM and a decent sized SSD and your'e looking at around $5k for something not so amazing anymore.

This was never the vision Jobs had, nor was it the original plan for the iMac.

Back on topic, I think we'll see a modest bump on a new iMac by later this year based on the daily averages for each previous generation and the shipping dates.
 
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More price points, expensive build to order additions, lack of upgradability on something as basic as RAM, and horrendously outdated graphics cards are where Apple is at on the iMac. Max one out with RAM and a decent sized SSD and your'e looking at around $5k for something not so amazing anymore.
????

You can upgrade the RAM on an iMac 27 easily. Nobody is buying RAM directly from Apple.
 
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You can upgrade the RAM on an iMac 27 easily. Nobody is buying RAM directly from Apple.


You can. That is correct. I don't think anyone reading this forum wouldn't be aware of that.

Does it explain why the soldered it into the smaller 21.5, or why they attach such an incredible premium to it?

But more importantly, is it not a massive departure for the iMac based on what is was brought into the lineup to be (consumer model that was far more affordable than the Power user options).

Suggesting that no-one buys RAM from Apple is a little rich too. I'd doubt many on this forum would. But I don't see how you can generalise like that when a lot of housewives and non-industry savvy folks own iMacs.
 
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I'm just kind of shell shocked after realising that there is no value for money in the current iMac lineup.

More price points, expensive build to order additions, lack of realistic pricing on something as basic as RAM, and horrendously outdated graphics cards are where Apple is at on the iMac. Max one out with RAM and a decent sized SSD and your'e looking at around $5k for something not so amazing anymore.

This was never the vision Jobs had, nor was it the original plan for the iMac.

Back on topic, I think we'll see a modest bump on a new iMac by later this year based on the daily averages for each previous generation and the shipping dates.

I read every word of your post.

And I agreed with them.

Azrael.
 
You can. That is correct.

Does it explain why the soldered it into the smaller 21.5, or why they attach such an incredible premium to it?

But more importantly, is it not a massive departure for the iMac based on what is was brought into the lineup to be.

If we want to see Tim Cook's 'Mac Desktop' Apple...

Just try BTO'ing the 21 inch tiny iMac into something decent.

Your £1950 will buy you...

...well. I can't type it. Too embarrassing.

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Next week.... :O

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You can. That is correct.

Does it explain why the soldered it into the smaller 21.5, or why they attach such an incredible premium to it?

But more importantly, is it not a massive departure for the iMac based on what is was brought into the lineup to be.

It is not soldered.........

Except for the lowest end iMac 21.5 which is essentially a MacBook Air motherboard.
 
It is not soldered.........

Except for the lowest end iMac 21.5 which is essentially a MacBook Air motherboard.

Is it sealed insert the case?

Is it user accessible/upgradable like it used to be?

Do you have a solid point, based on the original intention for the iMac or the philosophy behind it?

Or are you just down to split hairs maybe?
 
Intel: 7nm Chips Apple: A16 with 3nm Chips


mmm.....AS....3nm....arggle...arggle...*puts head back Homer style...

Azrael.
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Apple Special Events September 8 (online) iPhones,Apple Watch,AirPower,iPad

October 27 iPad Pro, Apple Silicon Macs (MacBook,MacBook Pro13”),(unless online Apple Glass)

From the same link.

Azrael.
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Mext Week: iMac Monday AirPods Studio Tuesday Home Pod and Mini Wednesday

iMac Monday???

Same link. (Keep reading down...)

Azrael.
 
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Is it sealed insert the case?

Is it user accessible.

Do you have a solid point, based on the original intention for the iMac or the philosophy behind it?

Or are you just down to split hairs maybe?

What you are saying isn't right.

It is not user accessible. It is not easy to upgrade. Is it good to do so ? No.

But it is not soldered. One can still bring it to Apple Store or Authorized Apple repair shop to make it upgraded.
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Intel: 7nm Chips Apple: A16 with 3nm Chips


mmm.....AS....3nm....arggle...arggle...*puts head back Homer style...

Azrael.
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Apple Special Events September 8 (online) iPhones,Apple Watch,AirPower,iPad

October 27 iPad Pro, Apple Silicon Macs (MacBook,MacBook Pro13”),(unless online Apple Glass)

From the same link.

Azrael.
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Mext Week: iMac Monday AirPods Studio Tuesday Home Pod and Mini Wednesday

iMac Monday???

Same link. (Keep reading down...)

Azrael.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">excuse me<br>but it doesn’t seem to be happening this week <a href="https://t.co/aLvJ1ULKhI">https://t.co/aLvJ1ULKhI</a></p>&mdash; Komiya (@komiya_kj) <a href=" ">July 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He just doesn't know.
 
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Guess why I am happy for a 24 inch passively cooled AS iMac for $2000 (2Tb SSD) provided that the key softwares I use work? Should I focus on all these negative of should I focus on the positive sides?

If it provides me with Mr. Big Love performance...then I'll hand over £2k for it ....if it can give 100% more performance with actual gpu performance too.

I'd expect prices in teh £1250-£1500 with BTO to take it up to £2k.

Apple upped their Mac prices in recent years. They've hiked them to death. Enough to stop the growth in their unit sales momentum which they stopped dead in its tracks.

It would agur better for unit growth if they held or trimmed prices.

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What you are saying isn't right.

It is not user accessible. It is not easy to upgrade. Is it good to do so ? No.

But it is not soldered. One can still bring it to Apple Store or Authorized Apple repair shop to make it upgraded.
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Personally wouldn't trust this guy. He seems to be fabulating.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">excuse me<br>but it doesn’t seem to be happening this week <a href="https://t.co/aLvJ1ULKhI">https://t.co/aLvJ1ULKhI</a></p>&mdash; Komiya (@komiya_kj) <a href=" ">July 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Trust him?

I don't trust anyone...

Especially Apple or any of the 'big tech' companies.

Billionaires screwing little guys to make even more billions...(that's my polite version.)

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It is not soldered.........

Except for the lowest end iMac 21.5 which is essentially a MacBook Air motherboard.

That's the thing about the consumer Macs. It's solder and sealed. Much of a muchness whether Mini, iMac21, MB13 or Air.

Basically the same thing. All very underwhelming in that context.

The move to AS could hardly make those products any worse...but make them more compelling or add value to their price points.

Azrael.
 
So towers are not as popular?

Are you suggesting that poor value for money, and the pharma-bro selling strategy will somehow help this?

Those strategies are at odds with the original vision for the iMac in particular.

I don't use PC and I own an iPhone because I use Apple hardware – it's definitely not the other way around. PC isn't relevant to me at this point in time, though I've used them for work on occasions.

I'm obviously hopeful that things might change at Apple (which is the company we're talking about).

Clapping mindlessly after every move when the moves have been largely on the nose for a long time now is not helpful or clever imo. Optimism is good, but so is the ability to critique and see the value of what is in front of you now.

I do agree however with others who have said that the 16" MacBook Pro is a good product, albeit a noisey one. I'd put money into one of those before an iMac based on current specs, and have happily used a mid 2018 MacBook over recent years.

I'd prefer an iMac though now, with travel not a big feature of life for a while. I'm just kind of shell shocked after realising that there is no value for money in the current iMac lineup.

More price points, expensive build to order additions, lack of realistic pricing on something as basic as RAM, and horrendously outdated graphics cards are where Apple is at on the iMac. Max one out with RAM and a decent sized SSD and your'e looking at around $5k for something not so amazing anymore.

This was never the vision Jobs had, nor was it the original plan for the iMac.

Back on topic, I think we'll see a modest bump on a new iMac by later this year based on the daily averages for each previous generation and the shipping dates.
Towers are not popular anymore, laptops are.

You are late to the party, I have already commented on that the AS iMac 24 inch should be going back to being a computer for all (G3) and priced thereafter. I believe, $1299 as the original G3 iMac for an entry model (256 SSD) and $2000 for 2 Tb. Not unreasonable given the price of an iPad Pro.

What is pharma-bro selling strategy?
 
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