Will US cops accept digitized US driver licenses?

[JayLenochiniMac]

You must only have your DL/OL on your person when operating a motor vehicle, or other vehicle in which a license is required by law (electric GEM Neighborhood Electric Vehicle's for instance, motorized bicycles, mopeds, etc.). Having your "papers" or DL on your person while out and about for a walk is not required, ever since the Supreme Court struck down California's Penal Code Section 647(e), which had similar wording to the case decision in Nevada Vs. Hiibel.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that you are legally required to identify your self or provide satisfactory evidence of identity should you be lawfully detained under any circumstance. ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Being at a bar during a crime or bar fight- yes, legally detained pending the investigation to determine injuries, crimes, extent of injuries, and people's involvement in the crime. That can take a while as the scene is dynamic and chaotic.

At least you have more flexibility in terms of identification when you're not operating a motor vehicle. You can't be found guilty of failing to present a DL if you're not driving at the time of the request (a required element of CVC 12951).

 

[Eldiablojoe]

At least you have more flexibility in terms of identification when you're not operating a motor vehicle. You can't be found guilty of failing to present a DL if you're not driving at the time of the request (a required element of CVC 12951).

True. During a detention for say, jaywalking across the street from the high school, your High School ID may be sufficient proof of ID.

If you are in a car where the driver had drugs, there's a good chance your old high school ID or credit card with only name and no photo on it will NOT be sufficient.

If your identity cannot be confirmed any other way, the odds are high you will be transported to the nearest jail where your fingerprints can be taken and identity confirmed. That may take many hours. For me, it's simpler just to keep my ID on me anytime I'm out of the house. Exceptions include beach and swimming. I carry it even when I'm running, so if I have a medical emergency during the workout my identity and health history are immediately available to responding emergency personnel.

By the way, my last post should have had an exclamation mark after it, not a question mark at the very end. Lo siento.

 

[turtle777]

I am actually agreeing with you, but letting you know that it (all caps coming) CAN be done in every state.

What also can be done is that the officer doesn't ticket you for speeding, but gives you $5 out of his own wallet, out of the goodness of his heart.

Not sure how that's helpful though...

 

[Negritude]

Unless there is a way to display a DL on a locked phone, in other words, on the notifications screen, the idea of a digital DL makes absolutely no sense. Who would want to hand over an unlocked phone to a cop? It doesn't have anything to do with committing crime, but has everything to do with the innumerable ways cops abuse their authority.

 

[malman89]

Unless there is a way to display a DL on a locked phone, in other words, on the notifications screen, the idea of a digital DL makes absolutely no sense. Who would want to hand over an unlocked phone to a cop? It doesn't have anything to do with committing crime, but has everything to do with the innumerable ways cops abuse their authority.

It's more likely to be the opposite. I've had a few friends have only a digital copy of their proof of insurance on their phone through their insurance app. After getting pulled over, the officer wanted proof of the insurance, but would not take the liability of holding and possibly dropping the device and did not let the person show them on their phone themselves.

Look, if you really hate holding on to a physical copy of your DL and insurance, just throw it in your glove box or center console in case you ever need it and use your digital alternatives in your day to day use. However, society isn't quite ready for digital IDs right now, so don't be surprised to see them get denied.

 

[rhett7660]

You must only have your DL/OL on your person when operating a motor vehicle, or other vehicle in which a license is required by law (electric GEM Neighborhood Electric Vehicle's for instance, motorized bicycles, mopeds, etc.). Having your "papers" or DL on your person while out and about for a walk is not required, ever since the Supreme Court struck down California's Penal Code Section 647(e), which had similar wording to the case decision in Nevada Vs. Hiibel.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that you are legally required to identify your self or provide satisfactory evidence of identity should you be lawfully detained under any circumstance. ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Being at a bar during a crime or bar fight- yes, legally detained pending the investigation to determine injuries, crimes, extent of injuries, and people's involvement in the crime. That can take a while as the scene is dynamic and chaotic.

Reliance on law enforcement databases to confirm your identity from name/dob/etc information YOU provide is not sufficient and is simply a matter of convenience should that law enforcement officer have access to a working in-vehicle computer that can access DMV/MVA datsabases that will produce a photograph and identifying information (height/weight/age/etc.) to confirm the info you provide verbally. Just providing it to a Park Range that can't do that, is NOT sufficient proof of identity should you be detained. A traffic stop, even if YOU ARE NOT DRIVING is still a lawful detention.

As a refresher- a lawful detention is when a police officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that ANY crime (including a traffic infraction or minor municipal code) has occurred, is occurring, or about to occur and the person detained MAY be involved. Not PROBABLY, not DEFINITELY, but simply MAY.

If you disagree that you are being lawfully detained, your recourse is NOT TO RESIST OR BE A YOUTUBE OR CURBSIDE LAWYER. Your lawful recourse is civil suit after the fact. That is how people end up injured or dead.

A police officer is entitled, and in fact obligated, to use the reasonable amount of force necessary to effect a lawful detention, arrest, prevent escape or overcome resistance (or restore order to a custody facility).

If you blow off a cop who is ordering or directing you to do something, expect to be physically restrained, batoned or tased to effect that lawful detention. The definition of lawful is that which is viewed through a lens that the police officer believes is reasonable based on their articulable training and experience, per 1989's U. S. Supreme Court decision in Graham vs Connor. NOT ON YOUR OPINION OR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS OCCURRING?

Food for thought for the rebels amongst us.

Easy bud, this is way to much common sense for a lot of folks out there. Very nicely put.