Will we see apps on Apple TV in 2012?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by kristoffer4, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. kristoffer4 macrumors 6502a

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    What would be your bet? :)
    My bet is that either we will see this and a new Apple TV box at WWDC in June or we won't see it befor the "Apple iTV" comes out next year...

    I really can't understand why Apple hasn't done this yet! It would be a killer feature for Apple TV.
     
  2. maturola macrumors 68040

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    Yes, it will be introduce with the next revision soon. :D
     
  3. zedsdead macrumors 68040

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    I can see that being the next push, whether the iTV comes out or not. The Apple TV box top will likely be updated this year with new internals if I had to guess.
     
  4. alexreich macrumors 6502a

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    No one knows. It's all purely speculation at this point. There is no Official statement on the matter so I'm going to say no until Apple says otherwise or a image leaks with references to or images of App Store-like abilities on the AppleTV2.
     
  5. Rick2020 macrumors newbie

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    Atv3?

    Why is everybody routing for an Itv !?
    I have a perfect brand new LED Philips 42'' TV.

    I'd like to have Apple TV but I'm just not too fond of what ATV2 is giving us right now.
    Currently I'm waiting for an Apple TV 3 release that gives us Full HD quality etc. etc.

    Doesn't anyone of you expect this kind of product ?
    Reallllly really hope so !
     
  6. jwm2 macrumors regular

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    Personally i don't see why folks are so disappointed in 720p. It looks just fine on my tv set. The extra bandwidth and occasional buffering issues would annoy me if all streams were in 1080p. For streaming i think 720p is the sweet spot. It offers great resolution and works with slower internet connections. I think the apple 2 will be around for a few years before the 3rd generation makes it debut.
     
  7. b-rad g macrumors 6502a

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    I am waiting with cash in hand for the next ATV that has 1080p and apps.

    Will buy as soon as possible.
     
  8. maturola macrumors 68040

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    Well,, I got a 62'' TV and the Appletv looks Horrible, even te menus look pixelated, and I am streaming 1080P, 5.1 Sound with my roku box using plex to the same TV over 5GHz N network, and I don't have any buffering issues at all, so to me that is the sweet streaming spot and the ATV falls short, so i got it on my 32'' in the bedroom which works perfect. but until the full HD is out it won;t make it to my living room.
     
  9. Rick2020 macrumors newbie

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    I second that !:)
     
  10. class77 macrumors 6502a

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    I third that
     
  11. d21mike macrumors 68040

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    4th that. Apple TV will continue to be a HOBBY for Apple until this happens. What is so confusing about the iTV idea is that they could accomplish the same thing with the Apple TV. Once they take the Apple TV out of hobby status (by creating an App Store and upgrading the hardware) then I think they could consider budding it inside a TV. Also, to really compete with the CABLE Companies we will need a Network TV Channel to watch live TV. I.E. Exactly what you get for free OTA.
     
  12. ixodes macrumors 601

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    The "App Model" was a stroke of genius for Apple. It serves many purposes to further their lock on users. It generates massive amounts of money. I don't see any reason why Apple wouldn't incorporate it into Apple TV to further lock down their legions of followers. It's the Apple way.
     
  13. gkarris macrumors 604

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    I was going to say this, but with iTV coming out, they may save the Apps and 1080p for the actual set, and have the AppleTV continue on with only multi-media...

    just my opinion...
     
  14. HobeSoundDarryl macrumors 603

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    I so hope you're wrong about this (but fear that you are right). If the software experience can be replicated on anyone's HDTV with a $100 box, the Apple Television priced at Apple pricing probably won't sell that well.

    I really hope you are wrong though. I don't want Apple deciding the right screen size, the right screen type, etc. I'd rather pick those myself and then get that Apple UI running on whatever I chose for my own situation. Too much variability of need with televisions to try to make the 1 or 2 that Apple might roll out fit a big subset of people.
     
  15. slothrob macrumors 6502

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    Do you have the same problem with ABC and Fox, which broadcast in 720p, or is it just the aTV that looks horrible to you?
     
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    I'm pretty sure that Apple "720p" and ABC & FOX "720p" are different incarnations of 720p in a very key way. Hint: look up fps and Mbps rates. The full version of 720p as opposed to Apple's near minimal variant of 720p would make a meaningful difference on a 62" HDTV. I too share the desire for a 1080p-capable version of Apple's set-top box.
     
  17. maturola macrumors 68040

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    I cut the cord about a year ago, however those HD channel i get over the air, they do look a bit choppy, not that bad, very viewable but you can for sure tell
     
  18. slothrob macrumors 6502

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    If the issue is bit rates with Apple material, not 720p, then a 1080i aTV isn't going to change quality and might make things worse if compression needs to be increased to make 1080 work. Perhaps those holding out for 1080p are chasing the wrong boogieman
     
  19. NightStorm macrumors 68000

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    I don't really think that is a fair comparison. The signals coming from the network providers is definitely higher quality, but it's typically getting re-compressed into lower bitrate MPEG4, or compressed MPEG2 to allow the local channels to simulcast additional content. The content sold by Apple is typically mastered at the source, which has its advantages as they can control how it is compressed into H.264 MPEG4.

    FPS has absolutely no bearing on "level of HD" quality.
     
  20. osohardy macrumors member

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    I'm sorry but roku handles pretty low bitrate 1080p...and if you are feeding it from plex I guarantee you are transcoding server side at either 8mbps 1080 or 4mbps 720. Not exactly great. Also Roku's menu is rendered at 720p....so....
     
  21. maturola macrumors 68040

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    you are 100% right, it is 8Mbps 1080P, still better than what the Apple TV can do, I am not against it I want to have an AppleTV there, it is just no going to be on my living room until it is revise to support 1080p, I have 2 AppleTV on my others 2 TV and I love them
     
  22. SKTHEPREZ macrumors member

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    I find it...

    Hard to believe that Apple would release ANYTHING without the capabilities of apps working with it at such a high price point. I have a Vizio 47" internet tv and it already had Facebook/Twitter/Netflix/You Tube, etc when I purchased it almost a year ago. There is NO WAY Apple would try to make without some type of innovations or advantages over its future competitors previous predecessors.
     
  23. osohardy macrumors member

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    Fair enough, not opposing 1080p ATV just saying bitrate is more important than resolution at the levels Roku can handle IMO. A bone stock ATV2 has no practical limit on 720p--you could feed it blu-ray type bitrates in a 720 file, and at 1080 it seems to decode and playback baseline 24mbps 1080p (4S) and main level 1080 from iMovie (20mbps)--i know it scales to 720 always and I know those are easier than high profile to decode and play though. Also I thought the plex client on ATV could handle 1080 8mbps transcodes or higher but maybe not.

    Anyway I want a 1080p ATV as well just so I know it can play everything, eg a blu-ray rip I dont feel like re-encoding, or home video not passed through iMovie etc. not necessarily because I think 720 vs 1080 is a dealbreaker when viewing QUALITY sources (eg blu-ray on 50" screen in my case). I also hate the idea of transcoding on the fly everytime I watch something and I have no desire to jailbreak (did that for ATV1 for a while). Of course with 1080p ATV you can have 1080 content from iTunes now, though to be honest I would rather they just up the bitrate on their 720p instead or in addition. Some of it is rather good, some marginal. If they go 1080 I really hope they give it some bitrate love and make them at least a competitive buy vs buying and ripping a BD which does get old sometimes.

    I also want apps at least for live tv to be able to fully retire the Mini, which acts as my DVR and plex client. For various reasons I would rather go with a dedicated box and not maintain a second computer just for video needs so I'm hoping ATV gets there.

    My fear is that if Apple releases a standalone unit for ATV3 in addition to the presumed TV, that it will be some adaptor like the Roku stick and would necessitate me buying a new TV anyway...thus cruelly tempting me to get a big brother for my iMac.
     
  24. HobeSoundDarryl, Feb 10, 2012
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    It's always the same old argument. There is NOTHING that requires a compromise in bitrate should Apple add 1080p content. NOTHING! Else, why not also assume it the other way: After Apple rolls out 1080p content, they'll overly compress 720p and SD versions to make 1080p version look even better. That's just as preposterous but no one HERE ever slings that argument either.

    If Apple rolls out 1080p, they'll want it to look great, NOT POOR due to "too much compression". When Apple rolled out 720p, they didn't over-compress it "to make it work" vs. the SD quality standard at the time. This will not be different.

    Apple has moved on to 1080p in the 4S. Does that video look over-compressed or poorer than 720p from Apple?
     
  25. HobeSoundDarryl, Feb 10, 2012
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    He was taking a poke at a guy with a big screen (62") television expressing hope for 1080p quality. His poke involved the implication that 720p quality from ABC & FOX is the same as 720p from Apple. In fact, Apple's variation of 720p is near the bare minimum. Great 720p should be 60fps, not 30 or 24. It's the 60fps that contributes significantly to the so-called "buttery smooth" video in fast-moving events like sports. Apple doesn't do 60fps but I think ABC & FOX does. That is very different.

    With respect to your comments, sure, there are other factors to consider as well. But not all ABC & FOX affiliates are doing what you imply and not all of them compress as tightly as Apple 720p is compressed.

    The point is the guy with the 62" screen is not WRONG for wanting 1080p content in a new :apple:TV. 720p is not the only RIGHT because it has represented what Apple has selected as the HD standard for :apple:TV so far. For those that would argue 720p > 1080p for all of the same old, tired arguments, please note: Apple has now embraced 1080p video in the 4s. If Apple still thought 720p is the better option, there was no need to go with 1080p in the 4s. I bet the new iPad will also come with 1080p video capture instead of 720p.

    In the end, someone wanting a 1080p :apple:TV is doing nothing more than wishing for better hardware in Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc. Better hardware can still play lessor software to it's fullest, meaning a 1080p :apple:TV will still be able to play 720p video at it's maximum quality. It just doesn't work the other way. Rather than find- and support- arguments against 1080p, consider who loses if there is a new 1080p :apple:TV launched this year:
    • The "720p is best" crowd can still enjoy their 720p to it's fullest on better hardware. They do not have to make any compromises, nor do they have to embrace 1080p themselves. Everything they love about things "as is" can remain exactly "as is"
    • The "1080p or bust" crowd can finally buy the :apple:TV they want
    • Apple sells more units to a niche that waits for that better hardware. I'll buy 3 units myself on day 1.
    • We all finally get Apple-endorsed hardware capable of going fully toe-to-toe with Blu Ray (hopefully in audio too).
    • Those 4s owners (and probably iPad3 owners too) will have any easy way to watch the video at the quality resolution they shot it, rather than having it downconverted.
    Nobody loses in this scenario.

    I never understand how so many people HERE can whine when the latest chips from Intel or the very latest graphics cards aren't immediately rolled out in new Macs... or how we can whine that LTE is not in the iPhone yet... etc, but, with this ONE thing, we'll argue why it's best to cling to lessor hardware with less-than-maximum capabilities. It's 2012 people. 720p max was "it" in about 2006.
     

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