No clue how you're having this experience.
No updates to FF have changed my UI anytime I can remember -- going back years now.
And I have auto updates on and am always on latest.
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Will you use Safari as daily driver on Tahoe?
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No clue how you're having this experience.
No updates to FF have changed my UI anytime I can remember -- going back years now.
And I have auto updates on and am always on latest.
This. that sidebar wasn't there a week or so ago and it's got AI crap on it. Then the new tab page full of ads. Firefox used to be simple back in 38 ESR.
Auto updates are ALWAYS on in Firefox these days. You no longer have the ability to disable them. Ever since Quantum happened you get either update automatically, or check for updates but no longer is the 'never install updates' an option. If you select the check for updates it nags you endlessly then eventually forces it:
Firefox has been a flat nightmare of UI design since Quantum. Back in 38 ESR it had a selection of very nice themes that no longer work. Only options today are flat themes and can't give me that Windows 7 or OS X vibe any longer. I can only tolerate the default dark one. I only keep it around because many sites break in Safari and I'd rather not use Chrome if possible. Not sure if you know this but I DESPISE FLAT DESIGN. I despised it back in the Tandy 1000 era too.
Auto updates are ALWAYS on in Firefox these days. You no longer have the ability to disable them. Ever since Quantum happened you get either update automatically, or check for updates but no longer is the 'never install updates' an option. If you select the check for updates it nags you endlessly then eventually forces it:
Firefox has been a flat nightmare of UI design since Quantum. Back in 38 ESR it had a selection of very nice themes that no longer work. Only options today are flat themes and can't give me that Windows 7 or OS X vibe any longer. I can only tolerate the default dark one. I only keep it around because many sites break in Safari and I'd rather not use Chrome if possible. Not sure if you know this but I DESPISE FLAT DESIGN. I despised it back in the Tandy 1000 era too.
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Do yourself a favor and switch to Firefox ESR. Then, you only get new features shoved at you that you have to figure out how to disable once a year (on a predictable schedule), rather than "whenever".
We’ll see. Current beta build hasn’t made a good first impression for these reasons
1) New themes really hard on my MacBook to visually differentiate the tabs when I have dark mode active, and am visiting pages that are also dark. Not sure why the underline under the tab is still black in dark mode, but it doesn’t stand out like it does when in light mode, and probably should be white instead (edit: this is a bug). Hope this is tweaked like other effects.
2) I used to use and like the compact tabs where the address bar became part of the tab. From what I can tell this has been removed, and it’d feeling quite jarring to go back to the old style. Hope they bring this back as an option.
If the situation doesn’t change, I may go to Firefox which is typically my fallback browser. Or might look at Orion or another smaller browser, especially if they replicate the compact Safari tabs.
1) New themes really hard on my MacBook to visually differentiate the tabs when I have dark mode active, and am visiting pages that are also dark. Not sure why the underline under the tab is still black in dark mode, but it doesn’t stand out like it does when in light mode, and probably should be white instead (edit: this is a bug). Hope this is tweaked like other effects.
2) I used to use and like the compact tabs where the address bar became part of the tab. From what I can tell this has been removed, and it’d feeling quite jarring to go back to the old style. Hope they bring this back as an option.
If the situation doesn’t change, I may go to Firefox which is typically my fallback browser. Or might look at Orion or another smaller browser, especially if they replicate the compact Safari tabs.
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uBlock Origin Lite is available as beta for Safari now, see https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home
I know I started this thread asking about Safari, but am curious: what do Safari users thing of Orion?
I stopped using Onion/Tor when so many sites were completely broken no thanks to Cloudflare. It's sucky to want privacy and then punished for wanting it, basically software telling me to 'go outside and touch grass, the internet ain't for you'
Brave with shields up basically forces DuckDuckGo which is lousy for search, and has its own 'bot detection' that after a few searches refuses to work.
I use Safari but it's to me like IE 11 now, so I have to have two or three other browsers on standby for sites that break in Safari. Firefox is awful since Quantum, Brave/Tor/Onion breaks the internet entirely, and Opera Air works but has a memory leak (eventually my MacBook Air tells me to close apps as memory is run out)
EDIT: Damn, you said Orion, I read that as 'Onion'.
Brave with shields up basically forces DuckDuckGo which is lousy for search, and has its own 'bot detection' that after a few searches refuses to work.
I use Safari but it's to me like IE 11 now, so I have to have two or three other browsers on standby for sites that break in Safari. Firefox is awful since Quantum, Brave/Tor/Onion breaks the internet entirely, and Opera Air works but has a memory leak (eventually my MacBook Air tells me to close apps as memory is run out)
EDIT: Damn, you said Orion, I read that as 'Onion'.
Yeah I accidentally found the 'hide sidebar' in the menu, it's a flat icon that of course confuses me as it looks nothing like a 'button' nor tells me what it does (reminds me of those tons of buttons on steering wheels of modern cars, I'm afraid to press them) but I clicked on it by accident and dismissed it.
but it's one of those 'flow-breaking' things that forced updates do. I hate Firefox since Quantum, as I used to be able to skeuomorph the UI with themes, but all you can use now are flat crap. Every update takes user control away. Mozilla might as well be Microsoft at this point. There's a reason that the phrase 'Never touch a running system' existed. I DESPISE UI changes I never asked for and are thrusted on me without any say in the matter.
Mouseover is your friend.
"Forced updates" have been a thing for a long time now and is not unique to FF. Time to adapt. The benefits to the internet at large far outweighs a little annoyance.
No, forced updates always change things and I like things being as I'm used to doing. I refuse to 'get used to' things I hate. Nothing wrong with choice, and since Firefox is supposed to be Open-source, choice should remain a priority as is user control.
Nothing pisses me off more than a broken flow when I've done x the same way forever. It ruins my mood. It's like someone coming into my home and rearranging the furniture. That would be an invasion of my life. I hate it when Walmart re-arranges the store forcing me to spend another hour relocating everything.
Even Macs don't force updates. It's still a choice (thank goodness) unlike those poor Windows users.
Nothing pisses me off more than a broken flow when I've done x the same way forever. It ruins my mood. It's like someone coming into my home and rearranging the furniture. That would be an invasion of my life. I hate it when Walmart re-arranges the store forcing me to spend another hour relocating everything.
Even Macs don't force updates. It's still a choice (thank goodness) unlike those poor Windows users.
I miss speed and some extensions. Firefox is faster and has all possible extensions, and more.
Broad support for the extensions I use on a daily basis, the ability to have the list of downloads in a separate window instead of a dropdown from the toolbar, more customization of the Start Page (One can turn off all sponsored/advertised links in Firefox), cross-platform synchronization (Mac OS, Windows, and Linux) are some of the things missing from Safari...
The gear at the bottom of the sidebar also lets you disable it completely, and it does not reactivate after an update.
I upgraded to Tahoe yesterday and although I tried Safari, I will still not use it as my main browser, not until it remembers favicons.
I know Safari doesn't support SVG favicons, which is what most sites use, I assume, but that's not my problem, is it ?
Firefox was my main browser on Sequioa but for some reason, it has become really sluggish on Tahoe. All other browsers work just fine, only Firefox doesn't. Have already tried to clean the cache, but doesn't help.
Think I might give Brave a try...
I know Safari doesn't support SVG favicons, which is what most sites use, I assume, but that's not my problem, is it ?
Firefox was my main browser on Sequioa but for some reason, it has become really sluggish on Tahoe. All other browsers work just fine, only Firefox doesn't. Have already tried to clean the cache, but doesn't help.
Think I might give Brave a try...
Three months ago, I transitioned to Chrome🤙🏻 IMHO, a much better choice than Safari😊
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Hate the nanny state of Safari - "We know how you should use the internet" (even if recently they've acknowledged their security/privacy isn't all its cracked up to be - see AdBlock Lite), but if I was going to think about it, I would go with Orion. Uses the guts / 'integration' of Safari, but - and here's the game changer - allows users to install many of both Chrome / Firefox extensions. Including security and privacy ones.
Meanwhile, while I have been a diehard Firefox user, recent business machinations and announced interest in expanding current AI within it has had me shift to Waterfox. FF without the AI tinkering. The move was straightforward - as simple as doing a Firefox Sync to move everything over.
Oh, and while I use Bitwarden, Firefox / Waterfox has the iCloud Password extension available to users, if that's your concern.
Meanwhile, while I have been a diehard Firefox user, recent business machinations and announced interest in expanding current AI within it has had me shift to Waterfox. FF without the AI tinkering. The move was straightforward - as simple as doing a Firefox Sync to move everything over.
Oh, and while I use Bitwarden, Firefox / Waterfox has the iCloud Password extension available to users, if that's your concern.
I use firefox, and its not because of tahoe, its because It offers me cross platform, and a measure of privacy