Windows 7 RC HOT

Discussion in 'Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac' started by sportguy0913, Aug 13, 2009.

  1. sportguy0913 macrumors 6502

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    When I run windows 7 RC on my MacBook Pro 13" it gets REALLY hot. Do the fans not work or can you not control them on it? Is it just cause its a RC or does this happen for anyone?

    Thanks!
     
  2. clevin macrumors G3

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    windows need proper drivers from apple to use some hardwares properly. Did you have them installed?

    I have win 7 RC on my netbook, its never been hot in any fashion.
     
  3. Gav Mack macrumors 68020

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    Apple blame Windows for poor power management support but really it's all down to Apple. Their Windows drivers and utilities controlling the EFI and SMC are worthy of a third rate PC OEM never mind the level they should be like the premium notebook ranges from Lenovo and Dell.

    The simple workaround to run SMC fan control in OSX revving the fans up to 3.5-4k then restart into 7. Once powered off it reverts to standard fan RPM cooking the unibodies not nicely.

    Apple long term are really shooting themselves in the foot with this heat issue with Boot Camp on Unibodies because their insurers for their warranties would have a point in refusing to pay out because Apple run the risk of being labelled negligent for not controlling this problem with software. Add an embarrassing future class action lawsuit from users with cooked system boards out of warranty to the mix makes their inaction simply stupid imho..
     
  4. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    So don't use them and use something else.

    Apple supports the use of Windows in no way. They are exempt.
     
  5. clevin macrumors G3

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    you can't ignore the reality, apple provides many hardware drivers when users were to use bootcamp and install windows, why not providing the whole package to properly use chips and cpu to improve the heat issue?

    isn't apple capable of writing such a simple driver? or is apple intentionally trying to misleading users to think windows is incapable of good power management? either way, its a crappy job from apple.
     
  6. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    If I were a betting man, I would put HUGE amounts of money on this.
     
  7. xIGmanIx macrumors 6502a

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    bingo! if you are having any issues in bootcamp, look to apple, they are the ones who wrote the drivers if you only used the disc. i believe some drivers can be updated that are third party, but all apple specific ones, your at their mercy.
     
  8. Gav Mack macrumors 68020

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    Grow up fanbois, I need both or do you suggest us mixed users carry two notebooks around for working on both platforms??

    Exempt from providing hardware support for Windows in terms of drivers and utilities - I think not! Neither will the insurers and future class actions think so either and rightly so. Nvidia's insurers are refusing to pay them out for their negligent thermal materials on their GPU's so why would you think Apple wouldn't have that problem?

    They were just barely adequate with more BSOD's than any other PC OEM I've known for years and awful DPC latency issues and KbdMgr.exe. Post unibody it's gone past that, not only with the heat issues but they stumble again with terrible sound issues with the Cirrus chip they're using in the newer models.
     
  9. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    No, no, I meant don't use Apple's fan drivers; use some third party ones. :D

    Since Apple doesn't make Windows and has no responsibility for it, they have decided not to... take any responsibility for its use. I don't see why this isn't unreasonable.

    Because there is nothing wrong with Apple's hardware when used under the supported configurations. Windows is not supported, so destruction under its use is not covered.
     
  10. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Is this a joke? What do you think Boot Camp is for? Please, I can't wait to hear your explanation. What is Boot Camp? Fine, I'll let you in on a secret. It's a fancy partitioning app and a series of drivers for SUPPORT UNDER APPLE HARDWARE. Boot Camp allows Windows to be a "supported configuration".

    Now go ahead and dish out your next troll statement.
     
  11. clevin macrumors G3

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    its just crappy PR, all comes down to apple don't care about users' benefit, its business competition is more important than providing users best quality of hardware and software.

    its stupid if you ask me.
     
  12. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

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    Your trolling here. Boot Camp doesn't SUPPORT Windows, like you said, "It's a fancy partitioning app and a series of drivers." Boot Camp allows you to partition your drive. And it doesn't provide drivers, those drivers are on your system restore discs. Not just a troll, but a misinformed one.

    Just because we have Boot Camp doesn't mean it's a supported configuration. Microsoft is the judge of that.

    Apple cares more about themselves than Microsoft. Is that crappy PR too?

    To Clevin and the other misinformed troll, I've used Windows 7 on my MacBook and MacBook Pro. In any instance, there aren't any heat problems. This isn't the install once and use once scenario, Windows 7 was used extensively for 2 days, without reboot.
     
  13. clevin macrumors G3

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    people as ill informed as you, and as blatantly making stuff up as you, are rare.

    and you love to call people "troll" just because they don't believe apple is 100% right.

    in this case, users right is at steak, your blind apple loving stance is insane and ugly.
     
  14. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    I'd be calling Apple a troll here, as I'm only stating what they say. You want them to support Windows? Tell them to buy Microsoft. Otherwise this is what you get and any lawsuit based on "failed" hardware due to running Windows will be thrown out.
     

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  15. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

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    My info comes from quoting a guy, so he must be ill informed too.

    I don't believe Apple is 100% right, but they are most of the time. I do 100% believe, however that you are 100% wrong. :p
     
  16. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    It doesn't? Then I must be crazy because every Leopard DVD includes them under a folder called Boot Camp.

    You're right. My bad. Clearly it's just something some guy at Apple threw together for fun one day. If only it would allow us to run Windo- oh wait, it does.

    They provide a partition application, drivers, and software to not only allow you to run Windows on your Mac, but to run apps on Windows as well. You're saying that's not considered support?

    So if Dell wants to support Windows then it has to buy Microsoft too? That's weird, because they do support Windows. In fact, they do it very similarly to what Apple does: provide software and drivers and *gasp* hardware.
     
  17. sportguy0913 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    OK so no one gave me a solution! What is a solution?
     
  18. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    Don't expect Apple to write drivers for it any time soon.
     
  19. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    So Dell should create drivers for OS X when people run OS X on Dell machines. This is what you're saying.
     
  20. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    That's doubtful. Apple's own selling point: "It runs Windows, too."

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/compatibility.html

    Regarding support:

    That's phone support, not support in general.

    Apple does provide some Windows support. E.g.:

     
  21. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Okay, but do they support the use, maintenance, and features of Windows?
     
  22. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    Apple are selling these machines saying they run Windows too.

    Dell don't even mention OS X.
     
  23. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    We're talking about drivers here right? :rolleyes:
     
  24. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    Dell weren't doing that either, when I last had a Dell machine. That is,
    they were only supporting the Dell specific aspects.

    What we can reasonably expect is that the Apple specific firmware and
    drivers work properly. Apple should stop wasting their time on frivolous
    efforts and get the basics right first. What good does it do you to have
    HFS read support if your machine is a molten pool of metal? :)
     
  25. Bill Gates macrumors 68020

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    Running Windows on a Mac is absolutely a supported configuration. The versions of Windows supported is not an exhaustive list, but Windows XP 32-bit, and Windows Vista 32-bit are supported on all Intel Macs, and Windows Vista 64-bit is supported on a limited number. Windows 7 is unsupported at this time, so any problems arising from its use are outside the scope of what Boot Camp provides. Don't go calling people trolls due to your own misinterpretation of Boot Camp. When a company offers a product intended to facilitate the installation of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows is inherently a supported OS. There's no requirement inherent to the definition of "supported" that the company providing said utility also offer detailed guides and phone support, or make drivers of a certain quality. As far as Microsoft is concerned, a supported platform is one that meets or exceeds the system requirements printed on the product documentation.
     

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